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I am currently staying in an AirBnB of a 60 floor tower, and the three elevator shafts definitely cannot handle this (I don't think the building was designed wi

by woeh 2mo ago

I am currently staying in an AirBnB of a 60 floor tower, and the three elevator shafts definitely cannot handle this (I don't think the building was designed with renting to tourists in mind). The elevators are frequently completely saturated during weekends, meaning that the elevator stops at each floor, but noone can get in because the elevator is already full. This means the backlog of people wanting to use the elevators is increasing until after rush hour, and I have at one time experienced a waiting time of over half an hour. What I take from this is, elevators need a proper check to see if they are full, and if so skip floors.

perpetuallunch 2mo ago
Or, the building / owners corp / code / city could simply ban short stay accommodation where it was never attended. I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded.
- matkoniecz 2mo ago
  > I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. why short term/long term stay would matter here?
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    Because short term stays put more load on the building systems, like the lifts, than perhaps the building was designed for. Regular tenants don’t come and go at anywhere near the rate short stay guests do.
    - matkoniecz 2mo ago
      why it would matter during evacuation when everyone leaves? (tourists would be more likely to be outside anyway, so actually it sounds like better case)
- userbinator 2mo ago
  I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. You are not supposed to use the elevator in emergencies.
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    No! Surely not? Where did you read that?
- CGamesPlay 2mo ago
  > I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. You shouldn't be taking the elevator if you heard an evacuation alarm, but to be sure, you don't want to be an any 60-story building when you hear that alarm.
  - perpetuallunch 2mo ago
    Yes, I realise this. But if the lifts aren’t coping with the foot traffic during normal operation, I’d also not want to have to use stairs.
cammikebrown 2mo ago
A 60 floor Airbnb tower? 2026 is wild.
ehsankia 2mo ago
I don't understand why the fact that it's an Airbnb really matters here? Unless a large number of apartments are meant to be empty, why does it matter if the tenant is short term or long term? Is it that short term users leave and enter their apartment more often?
- csomar 2mo ago
  Because they are short-term and many are staying just for the day + bringing family (like kids, which is why they use AirBNB instead of a hotel). The check-in/check-out already add an entry-exit if the user is staying 24 hours only.
  - close04 2mo ago
    It’s not super common to stay in one place only 24h when traveling with kids. Other than the luggage, tourists and residents move in an out of the building just the same. People who live there also need to go to work or school every morning, and come back in the afternoon creating choke points. And these people are there every day, not a handful of seasonal tourists. The problem is probably the same as every other super tall building. It was impressive for the potential buyers but designed poorly and this only became apparent after they lived there a while (crappy elevators, probably often defective, building sway, plumbing issues, etc). So the owners started to move out and it’s possible the building is mostly short term rental now.
- woeh 2mo ago
  I am of course just speculating (and I had a lot of waiting time to think about this), but there are a lot of people with a lot of luggage constantly going in and out. It makes the elevators be full faster (perhaps there is a weight based sensor to determine if the elevator is full, and the luggage tricks the system into thinking the elevator is not full yet, because a piece of luggage is lighter than a person but sometimes takes up more floor space than a person). Furthermore, people with luggage take longer to get in and out. It's a tower in Kuala Lumpur btw. Since it is rather hot here and the elevators are not airconditioned, it's extra uncomfortable.
Animats 2mo ago
> I am currently staying in an AirBnB of a 60 floor tower. ICE Condominiums Tower I, Toronto?[1] > elevators need a proper check to see if they are full, and if so skip floors. Elevator load measurement is an option you can buy.[2] Somebody didn't. 60 stories with three elevators is underserved, and needs all the control help it can get. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Condominiums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Condominiums [2] https://elevatormotors.com/load-weighing-devices/ https://elevatormotors.com/load-weighing-devices/
pudgywalsh 2mo ago
> 60 floor tower, and the three elevator shafts I don't think I've ever seen a 20-story building with less than 4 elevators at a minimum. I've worked in low-rise office buildings with no less than 10 elevators. Seems like that gross deficiency should have been stopped at the city inspector's office before plans were approved.
- mmmattt 2mo ago
  I live in a 20 stories building with only two elevators, 4 3-bedrooms apartments per floor. And I don’t think I ever had to wait more than a couple minutes.

by woeh 2mo ago

perpetuallunch 2mo ago

Or, the building / owners corp / code / city could simply ban short stay accommodation where it was never attended. I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded.

matkoniecz 2mo ago
> I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. why short term/long term stay would matter here?
- perpetuallunch 2mo ago
  Because short term stays put more load on the building systems, like the lifts, than perhaps the building was designed for. Regular tenants don’t come and go at anywhere near the rate short stay guests do.
  - matkoniecz 2mo ago
    why it would matter during evacuation when everyone leaves? (tourists would be more likely to be outside anyway, so actually it sounds like better case)
userbinator 2mo ago
I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. You are not supposed to use the elevator in emergencies.
- perpetuallunch 2mo ago
  No! Surely not? Where did you read that?
CGamesPlay 2mo ago
> I would not want to be in that building if an evacuation alarm sounded. You shouldn't be taking the elevator if you heard an evacuation alarm, but to be sure, you don't want to be an any 60-story building when you hear that alarm.
- perpetuallunch 2mo ago
  Yes, I realise this. But if the lifts aren’t coping with the foot traffic during normal operation, I’d also not want to have to use stairs.

cammikebrown 2mo ago

A 60 floor Airbnb tower? 2026 is wild.

ehsankia 2mo ago

I don't understand why the fact that it's an Airbnb really matters here? Unless a large number of apartments are meant to be empty, why does it matter if the tenant is short term or long term? Is it that short term users leave and enter their apartment more often?

csomar 2mo ago
Because they are short-term and many are staying just for the day + bringing family (like kids, which is why they use AirBNB instead of a hotel). The check-in/check-out already add an entry-exit if the user is staying 24 hours only.
- close04 2mo ago
  It’s not super common to stay in one place only 24h when traveling with kids. Other than the luggage, tourists and residents move in an out of the building just the same. People who live there also need to go to work or school every morning, and come back in the afternoon creating choke points. And these people are there every day, not a handful of seasonal tourists. The problem is probably the same as every other super tall building. It was impressive for the potential buyers but designed poorly and this only became apparent after they lived there a while (crappy elevators, probably often defective, building sway, plumbing issues, etc). So the owners started to move out and it’s possible the building is mostly short term rental now.
woeh 2mo ago
I am of course just speculating (and I had a lot of waiting time to think about this), but there are a lot of people with a lot of luggage constantly going in and out. It makes the elevators be full faster (perhaps there is a weight based sensor to determine if the elevator is full, and the luggage tricks the system into thinking the elevator is not full yet, because a piece of luggage is lighter than a person but sometimes takes up more floor space than a person). Furthermore, people with luggage take longer to get in and out. It's a tower in Kuala Lumpur btw. Since it is rather hot here and the elevators are not airconditioned, it's extra uncomfortable.

Animats 2mo ago

> I am currently staying in an AirBnB of a 60 floor tower. ICE Condominiums Tower I, Toronto?[1] > elevators need a proper check to see if they are full, and if so skip floors. Elevator load measurement is an option you can buy.[2] Somebody didn't. 60 stories with three elevators is underserved, and needs all the control help it can get. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Condominiums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Condominiums [2] https://elevatormotors.com/load-weighing-devices/ https://elevatormotors.com/load-weighing-devices/

pudgywalsh 2mo ago

> 60 floor tower, and the three elevator shafts I don't think I've ever seen a 20-story building with less than 4 elevators at a minimum. I've worked in low-rise office buildings with no less than 10 elevators. Seems like that gross deficiency should have been stopped at the city inspector's office before plans were approved.

mmmattt 2mo ago
I live in a 20 stories building with only two elevators, 4 3-bedrooms apartments per floor. And I don’t think I ever had to wait more than a couple minutes.