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I think sensible legislation might require that commercial AI providers discourage anthropomorphisation by avoiding personal pronouns from chatbot interfaces.

I think sensible legislation might require that commercial AI providers discourage anthropomorphisation by avoiding personal pronouns from chatbot interfaces. "Hey, customer service chatbot, can you help me get a refund for my order?" BAD: "Sure thing, I'll be happy to help you with that, I just need your order details..." GOOD: "Yes, this computer system can start the refund process. Please enter your order number."

nradov 2mo ago
The last thing we need is governments mandating software functionality.
- ForHackernews 2mo ago
  Boy have I got bad news for you...
mdp2021 2mo ago
> discourage anthropomorphisation by avoiding personal pronouns The fault is in the naïve antropomorphizer not in that which writes "I" being in fact a "first person".
- ForHackernews 2mo ago
  Irrelevant. Humans are frail and we shouldn't design systems with dark patterns that take advantage of human frailty.
  - mdp2021 2mo ago
    > we shouldn't design systems with dark patterns that take advantage of human frailty First of all: «humans are frail», so the paramount social and individual objective, goal, is to overcome frailty (in cognitive and psychological and judgement functions). Secondly: you are using a bad argument putting even innocent and somehow proper implementations in the set of "exploitative dark patterns". And importantly: we the adults must not be bound in the Procuste's bed of a world for the use of children. If people cry when e.g. somebody multiplies 123 and 321, they must be brought back to health, and we must be in the condition of making our free and legitimate multiplications.
    - ForHackernews 2mo ago
      That's a lot of fancy words to say, "I think I'm too smart to fall for the same tricks that work on other humans." How many hours did you spend on your phone last month? How many fewer hours would you have spent if the apps you interact with weren't designed to maximize "engagement"?
      - mdp2021 2mo ago
        > How many hours did you spend on your phone last month? How many fewer hours would you have spent if the apps you interact with weren't designed to maximize "engagement"? ?? Very strictly zero? You are assuming we would install engagement-relevant third party apps on our palm computers?! I use my time exactly as I decide moment to moment. > fancy Eh?! > too smart to fall for Very ill framed. We are adults, we behave like adults, and we need a society of adults.
        ForHackernews 2mo ago
        Millions of adults get hooked by gambling, social media, and AI that pretends to be a person. We need a better standard than "@mdp2021 thinks he's too grown up for this."
        mdp2021 2mo ago
        The standard is "do grow up; build a society that facilitates growing up; and do not hinder adults with rules for children - that is very much not a society". And your insulting attitude disservices the loser more than the normal people: you know, there are people who can count, there are people who won't lie, there are people who do not take drugs... There do exist adults.
        ForHackernews 2mo ago
        You're arguing that we should be deliberately build evil and manipulative technology... why? To assert your own superior discernment?

nradov 2mo ago

The last thing we need is governments mandating software functionality.

ForHackernews 2mo ago
Boy have I got bad news for you...

mdp2021 2mo ago

> discourage anthropomorphisation by avoiding personal pronouns The fault is in the naïve antropomorphizer not in that which writes "I" being in fact a "first person".

ForHackernews 2mo ago
Irrelevant. Humans are frail and we shouldn't design systems with dark patterns that take advantage of human frailty.
- mdp2021 2mo ago
  > we shouldn't design systems with dark patterns that take advantage of human frailty First of all: «humans are frail», so the paramount social and individual objective, goal, is to overcome frailty (in cognitive and psychological and judgement functions). Secondly: you are using a bad argument putting even innocent and somehow proper implementations in the set of "exploitative dark patterns". And importantly: we the adults must not be bound in the Procuste's bed of a world for the use of children. If people cry when e.g. somebody multiplies 123 and 321, they must be brought back to health, and we must be in the condition of making our free and legitimate multiplications.
  - ForHackernews 2mo ago
    That's a lot of fancy words to say, "I think I'm too smart to fall for the same tricks that work on other humans." How many hours did you spend on your phone last month? How many fewer hours would you have spent if the apps you interact with weren't designed to maximize "engagement"?
    - mdp2021 2mo ago
      > How many hours did you spend on your phone last month? How many fewer hours would you have spent if the apps you interact with weren't designed to maximize "engagement"? ?? Very strictly zero? You are assuming we would install engagement-relevant third party apps on our palm computers?! I use my time exactly as I decide moment to moment. > fancy Eh?! > too smart to fall for Very ill framed. We are adults, we behave like adults, and we need a society of adults.
      - ForHackernews 2mo ago
        Millions of adults get hooked by gambling, social media, and AI that pretends to be a person. We need a better standard than "@mdp2021 thinks he's too grown up for this."
        mdp2021 2mo ago
        The standard is "do grow up; build a society that facilitates growing up; and do not hinder adults with rules for children - that is very much not a society". And your insulting attitude disservices the loser more than the normal people: you know, there are people who can count, there are people who won't lie, there are people who do not take drugs... There do exist adults.
        ForHackernews 2mo ago
        You're arguing that we should be deliberately build evil and manipulative technology... why? To assert your own superior discernment?