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- dpacmittal 2mo agoI'm neither pro China, nor pro US. I'm pro open weights models, and I'm pro cheaper hardware. At this point I don't see any american frontier labs releasing SOTA open weights model, and I don't see ASML/Nvidia/Samsung monopoly getting any competition from anywhere apart from China in the near future.
- dominotw 2mo ago> I'm neither pro China, nor pro US. I'm pro open weights models, and I'm pro cheaper hardware. yea i got that from your first comment ( although you removed crush American companies in _price_ ). you are pro cheapness at any cost even if its from your country's state funded direct geopolitical enemy. China can always count on first order greed to win
- satvikpendem 2mo agoWhy does them being a geopolitical enemy matter to me as an individual?
- VulgarExigency 2mo agoAnd what is their nefarious plan after we get "addicted to cheap shit"?
- dominotw 2mo agosame plan as always. stop from producing native capablity and then use the dependency to your advantage like becoming un attackable. cheap shit is more powerful that a nuclear shield.
- VulgarExigency 2mo agoBut why would "we" want to attack them anyway?
- ungovernableCat 2mo agoThe world's a big messy place. You could do something like idk make a whole big mess in a region where they get most of their fossil fuels from.
- dominotw 2mo agoyou mean why does any country have a military if they dont plan to attack anyone?
- hilios 2mo agoI'm not looking forward to it, them being strapped for resources provides a huge incentive to develop and release these smaller models. Even if they'd still release their models once they are able to comfortably service all potential customers via their cloud, running them locally would be almost impossible due to their size.
- seanmcdirmid 2mo agoChinese are pretty pragmatic. Even if they produce more expensive chips and memory, they are still going to focus on value. But who knows, maybe India will step up again like they did for Y2K 3 decades ago.
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- Wherecombinator 2mo agoLooking at the oligarchy and excess of the United States, no.
- otabdeveloper4 2mo agoLol, Americans (the City upon a Hill and New Jerusalem people) are the least pragmatic people on earth.
- procgen 2mo agoPragmatism is as American as it gets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism
- seanmcdirmid 2mo agoI said absolutely nothing about Americans in my comment so I’m a bit confused by your comment.
- baalimago 2mo agoPersonally I'm hoping for EU to step up a bit
- tao_oat 2mo agoSeems incredibly unlikely, doesn't it? (I hope for the same thing but it feels almost like wishful thinking!)
- speedgoose 2mo agoSorry we a focusing on leather handbags there.
- seanmcdirmid 2mo agoThe leather bag designs are shipped from Paris or Milan to China for production.
- serial_dev 2mo agoBut some worker in Italy bolts on a zipper in the end so it’s actually Italian, believe it or not.
- Gud 2mo agoThat worker is also Chinese, but in Milano.
- speedgoose 2mo agoIt depends on the bags. I know people who work in handbags production, in France.
- m00dy 2mo agoEU is out of game and can't be back anytime soon.
- chronogram 2mo agoWe'll make sure there will be enough regulations to have neither the electricity to power it or the companies to build it.
- Saline9515 2mo agoGood luck when the last non-Chinese frontier labs will have closed and the CCP will ask to stop sharing models open source.
- InsideOutSanta 2mo agoWe'll never have fewer open-weight models than exist now. They won't suddenly disappear when labs stop publishing new ones. In fact, people will keep improving them and will keep distilling new frontier models into existing open-weight models.
- donquichotte 2mo agoMy conspiracy theory is that this is the new space race, and the CCP encourages this to show the world what Chinese engineers are capable of, and tank the Anthropic/OpenAI valuation bubble as a desirable side effect.
- throwa356262 2mo agoHalf of the engineers at OAI and Anthropic are Asian, I don't think China does all these for signaling.
- singingtoday 2mo agoWhat an odd thing to say
- donquichotte 2mo agoI was not trying to make that kind of argument, but rather a geopolitical one. Retaining world-class talent and home-growing industries is no small feat. In Europe, we have been struggling with this, and I am not even entirely sure why.
- dannyw 2mo agoA lot of world-class talent do not want to pay 50-60% taxes, so they move somewhere else. Not everyone, I'm just saying, it was a genuine consideration for me.
- segmondy 2mo ago:-(
- xXSLAYERXx 2mo agoYou're clearly not an American and they will never catch up on hardware. I'm mostly curious why you are so excited for China to "crush" American companies?
- johnny_rico 2mo agoIncursions into other nations "just because"? Economic wars, and support for foreign governments or armed groups that caused harm or instability to the entire planet? You know? Planet Earth? Sanctions and trade policies that hurt ordinary people? Cultural dominance through Hollywood (Holy Wood, again with the sick ruling elite and their witchcraft crap), social media, brands, the poisoning of food and water on global scale? Etc? Etc? Most people don't hate "Americans" or their companies, they are just against your ruling elite. Live one day outside the united states and understand how the planet works for the rest of mankind and you might start to grasp on reality. And yeah, China will catch up with hardware pretty damn soon. Jesus, you guys bought your radios from Japan not 50 years ago. Sorry, can't dominate the world's economy forever. Never happened in history. No matter how much black magic, dark rituals, sick crap and sacrifices people on the top throws at the wall. We're humans, after all. So yeah, it is not against America itself or American companies, but against the ruling class. So naturally , people get excited about China entering into the match! 3...2...1... Fight!
- xXSLAYERXx 2mo agoCome on. You can say all that nonsense about almost any other country. Most everyone wants to come to America for the opportunity. Think an immigrant in China has the same economic opportunity as in America? Any other country come to mind?
- antonvs 2mo agoAmerican ultracapitalism seems to be approaching its final stages. That end can’t come quickly enough. If China helps speed it along, that’s a good thing for all of humanity.
- xXSLAYERXx 2mo ago
- Nifty3929 2mo agoHow about we hope for Chinese labs to continue pushing forward - and for America and the rest of the world to do so as well. It needn't be competitive - everybody can succeed more tomorrow than they are today. You win. I win. We win.
- dang 2mo agoPlease don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewars, regardless of which nation you're for or against. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html