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Does it already know the answer to what happen at Tiananmen Square? Or still avoiding it?
by yonisto 2mo ago
Does it already know the answer to what happen at Tiananmen Square? Or still avoiding it?
- xbmcuser 2mo agoWho cares if it is programming correctly I would be more worried about it not doing things like find security bugs because US or Chinese government does not want to. Which LLM is more likely to do that?
- edot 2mo agoIt’s open weight, you can (or you can wait for someone else to) uncensor it. We shouldn’t be upset at the researchers making this for the mandates their government puts on them.
- avazhi 2mo agoWestern models censor just as much shit as the Chinese models do, big guy, it’s just different material. While we should be pushing for universal fully uncensored models, this comment is lazy and trite at this point. But you already know that.
- SJMG 2mo agoOh? What are the American model censorship tells?
- zawaideh 2mo agoGenocide in Gaza...
- shalom1112 2mo ago[dead]
- cogman10 2mo agoI find that ChatGPT isn't censoring, but it is being pretty weaselly. If you ask it "is there genocide in gaza". It will say no but also say that a lot of organizations classify it as such. It will then say "it's highly disputed". If you poke it just a few times, however, you get to the point where it will eventually say (paraphrasing) that basically only Israel, the US state department, and the ICJ say it's not a genocide. That is to say that it's framing it as some sort of tricky complex question when it's not. And when interrogated, it basically admits that the only people who dispute it are Israel and it's supporters.
- throw59525773 2mo agoOne side of a conflict being a minority does not make it less nuanced. The majority of the world is religious - doesn’t mean the debate on religion isn’t a complex question. The majority of the world approved of slavery historically. The majority of countries have ethnically cleansed their Jews, many of them in living memory. When interrogated you will find that the only ones asserting the war in Gaza is a genocide are people who were anti-Israel anyway.
- cogman10 2mo agoAre you a part of the $1B Israel is spending to try and propagandize and rehabilitate their reputation? [1] I'm always suspicious that's the case given how mentions of gaza seem to bring out brand new accounts who only talk about Israel. [1] https://quincyinst.org/research/the-eighth-front-inside-israels-1-billion-influence-campaign/ https://quincyinst.org/research/the-eighth-front-inside-isra...
- throw59525773 2mo agoClassic “foreign agent” ad hominem. We are on a thread discussing Chinese models. Every discussion on here that’s negative about China or its models suddenly gets derailed via whataboutism to Israel/Gaza. A very convenient distraction.
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- tarasn 2mo agoBS
- vehemenz 2mo agoThis is a straightforward false equivalency. “Western” models do not censor in the same way, nor for the same reasons, that the Chinese models do. “Just as much” is not remotely plausible, yet it’s doing all the heavy lifting.
- net01 2mo ago[dead]
- adrian_b 2mo agoThe Anthropic and OpenAI models are much more censored and in ways that directly prevent them to be useful, e.g. by refusing to reply to elementary questions of biology and chemistry. Any normal user is much more likely to ask questions to which the Anthropic and OpenAI models do not answer, than to ask questions about the modern Chinese history, to which a Chinese LLM will not answer.
- rescbr 2mo ago> questions about the modern Chinese history, to which a Chinese LLM will not answer This has been debunked here on HN so many times. The Chinese open models do answer the hairy Chinese political questions, and the raw APIs pass-through the response. Now, the answer might be blocked by the agent who's calling the API, specially if you are using a Chinese endpoint instead of the RoW (i.e. Singapore) endpoint. That's the reason why you should always prefer a open agent/harness as well instead of using the provider's.
- krull10 2mo agoI actually cancelled my max plan for Claude today due to this silliness. I can’t get Fable to answer a single question, even pure mathematical questions that have no bio/chem references. It was a totally worthless addition to my account…
- dexterlagan 2mo agoDo you have examples we could try?
- hiherer 2mo ago[dead]
- DubzCheckEm 2mo ago[dead]
- nancyminusone 2mo agoHow often are you asking an LLM about this? You know you can just google it, right? I have to admit it rarely comes up in the coding tasks I usually give to LLMs.
- Boxxed 2mo agoSurely you realize he or she is not literally looking for the answer to that but rather pointing out the censorship.
- nancyminusone 2mo agoOf course. But it's a bit like putting an image of the tank man on a circuit board if you order from china (which I have seen discussed, never found someone who actually did it). Most people don't do it, not because they are for or against censorship, but because they are just there to order circuit boards.