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Deepseek and moonshot are the only two providers I consent to training for.
by dannyw 3mo ago
Deepseek and moonshot are the only two providers I consent to training for.
- arizen 3mo agoWhy not also Qwen?
- dannyw 3mo agoQwen/Alibaba have stopped doing open weights releases for a while. No grudge or anything, I'm certainly not going to look at a gift horse in the mouth, but both DeepSeek and Moonshot have been very consistent with open weights as well as sharing actually detailed research. In terms of open research, China has absolutely overtaken the US.
- anon373839 3mo agoQwen has a pinned tweet stating that 3.8 will be released as open weights soon. I guess it remains to be seen, though, if they’ll do the smaller model sizes or only the big 2.4T one.
- applicative 3mo agoXi going to shut down open-weighting of them in a matter of months. No one seriously doubts this. They will be too powerful and they will be gone.
- darkwater 3mo agoWhat makes you state this?
- baublet 3mo agoChina bad
- applicative 3mo agoI'm a) quoting Xi's speech and b) projecting rapid China development to Mythos level. Either you think China will never get to 'Mythos level' because you think China bad; or you think they will release the weights, because you think China bad. Its incredible the weight of ideology over facts in this discourse
- satvikpendem 3mo agoYou haven't quoted anything actually. Provide sources to your claims.
- riskd 3mo agoDecades of xenophobic propaganda
- 1234letshaveatw 3mo agoWow! Amazing observation! Wait, do you think there could have been any pro Chinese propaganda? Perhaps even some taking place at the present time? I think it could be possible?
- Zetaphor 3mo agoI'm sure there's plenty, but if you put on your rational hat and think about the motivations of the Chinese government you'll realize this claim makes no sense, and there's plenty of evidence and good reason saying the opposite
- siva7 3mo agoCCP will be happy! Go on and share all your data with them..
- chorizo 3mo agoI’m developing open source tools, so happy to have all my context traces be public if it helps improve future models.
- fdsjgfklsfd 3mo agoYes, they trained on my open source code and Wikipedia edits and Stack Overflow answers that I shared freely, so it's only fair that they release their models as open source and share back to the community that created them. I only allow my training data go to open source models.
- gr_norm 3mo agoYeah, at least when I share my training data with labs releasing their models openly (Chinese or American or otherwise) it's nominally so an even better open model will land in my hands in the future.
- neya 3mo agoYeah, because, your data is best collected by the US labs, right? US or American, don't trust anyone, these are open weight models. Host them yourself if you feel strongly about privacy (as you should). I honestly don't know of any OSS open weight models from the US labs as good as Kimi K3 or Deepseek V4 though.
- genxy 3mo agoAt least you get based models back at some point. You supply data, they supply compute and open weights.
- anigbrowl 3mo agoI will! I pay their sales too and consider it quite reasonable.
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