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The internet has largely replaced / substituted this, which has been a mixed thing. Like minded people in smaller niches have been able to find each other onlin

The internet has largely replaced / substituted this, which has been a mixed thing. Like minded people in smaller niches have been able to find each other online for example, much more than IRL, and much more at long range / internationally. It's made the world a smaller place, at the cost of knowing people closer to home.

steveBK123 3mo ago
I think its made relationships more short term and superficial. We may recognize a handle on a forum, but most of the time we don't know anything about the other person other than a narrow part of their interests.
- foobarian 3mo ago
  I sometimes wonder if it was all worth it. What if we banned/rolled back the internet? Would we go back to more small-town-like community, and again have the nerd minority who "can't wait to get out of this place?" It feels like the current tech landscape is a reaction to that environment.
  - jimbokun 3mo ago
    I would. And I’m the nerd minority who “couldn’t wait to get out of this place.” Now, I would still go to a big city where I could find people with similar interests. But the cost to society of all the Internet has wrought has been far too high.
jimbokun 3mo ago
It’s been a disaster. It sounds good in principle. And I was very excited when discovering the Internet (Usenet) and a place to discuss all my geeky interests with many similar minded people. However, now that the Internet has so overpowered in person relationships across the board, the cost in mental health, anxiety and general unhappiness is staggering.
- cucumber3732842 3mo ago
  >It’s been a disaster. It wasn't a disaster until megaplatforms came alone.
  - Gud 3mo ago
    Because back then the Internet was a hobby itself. Normal people(for a lack of better word) mostly weren't online.
    - ryandrake 3mo ago
      You had to actually deliberately "go online." None of this always-on cable connection at home, let alone always-on wireless in your pocket. Nope, you had to deliberately decide "I'm going to go into the online world now." and then later "I'm going to go back to the real world." Much better IMO.
  - SoftTalker 3mo ago
    It's always this way. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, et. al. killed the social internet, as Amazon and Walmart killed the mom-and-pop retailers, as Blockbuster killed the local video stores (but then Netflix killed Blockbuster).
  - jimbokun 3mo ago
    Yes but that’s my point. Taken as a whole it’s been a net negative.
- xp84 3mo ago
  Agree. I think it might have been okay if the Internet had stayed in the naïve form it had circa 2003. In those days, I had a circle of friends on LiveJournal (the closer of which became AIM buddies as well) and I think we all derived huge positive benefits from having that in our lives. The shift to the algorithmic "Feed" established adversarial incentives across the board - the platforms are incentivized to addict and enrage, the individuals are incentivized not to be vulnerable for friends, but to be viral and get approval of the public, since if your posts don't perform for strangers, the algorithm won't even show them to your closest friends. The Internet gave us an easier way to make "friends" with no apparent downsides, only to rugpull us all as soon as most of the 'pre-Internet' places and social habits had been completely destroyed. Now we are all obviously lonely and hate the Internet mess, but whole generations are now too awkward to even speak to others in person, just from lack of experience.

steveBK123 3mo ago

I think its made relationships more short term and superficial. We may recognize a handle on a forum, but most of the time we don't know anything about the other person other than a narrow part of their interests.

foobarian 3mo ago
I sometimes wonder if it was all worth it. What if we banned/rolled back the internet? Would we go back to more small-town-like community, and again have the nerd minority who "can't wait to get out of this place?" It feels like the current tech landscape is a reaction to that environment.
- jimbokun 3mo ago
  I would. And I’m the nerd minority who “couldn’t wait to get out of this place.” Now, I would still go to a big city where I could find people with similar interests. But the cost to society of all the Internet has wrought has been far too high.

jimbokun 3mo ago

It’s been a disaster. It sounds good in principle. And I was very excited when discovering the Internet (Usenet) and a place to discuss all my geeky interests with many similar minded people. However, now that the Internet has so overpowered in person relationships across the board, the cost in mental health, anxiety and general unhappiness is staggering.

cucumber3732842 3mo ago
>It’s been a disaster. It wasn't a disaster until megaplatforms came alone.
- Gud 3mo ago
  Because back then the Internet was a hobby itself. Normal people(for a lack of better word) mostly weren't online.
  - ryandrake 3mo ago
    You had to actually deliberately "go online." None of this always-on cable connection at home, let alone always-on wireless in your pocket. Nope, you had to deliberately decide "I'm going to go into the online world now." and then later "I'm going to go back to the real world." Much better IMO.
- SoftTalker 3mo ago
  It's always this way. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, et. al. killed the social internet, as Amazon and Walmart killed the mom-and-pop retailers, as Blockbuster killed the local video stores (but then Netflix killed Blockbuster).
- jimbokun 3mo ago
  Yes but that’s my point. Taken as a whole it’s been a net negative.
xp84 3mo ago
Agree. I think it might have been okay if the Internet had stayed in the naïve form it had circa 2003. In those days, I had a circle of friends on LiveJournal (the closer of which became AIM buddies as well) and I think we all derived huge positive benefits from having that in our lives. The shift to the algorithmic "Feed" established adversarial incentives across the board - the platforms are incentivized to addict and enrage, the individuals are incentivized not to be vulnerable for friends, but to be viral and get approval of the public, since if your posts don't perform for strangers, the algorithm won't even show them to your closest friends. The Internet gave us an easier way to make "friends" with no apparent downsides, only to rugpull us all as soon as most of the 'pre-Internet' places and social habits had been completely destroyed. Now we are all obviously lonely and hate the Internet mess, but whole generations are now too awkward to even speak to others in person, just from lack of experience.