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The main drawback with the page's unstyled design is that the page is not mobile friendly. Publishing web pages by manually editing HTML files is still very co

by sheept 2mo ago

The main drawback with the page's unstyled design is that the page is not mobile friendly. Publishing web pages by manually editing HTML files is still very common today; any GitHub Pages blog does this.

burkaman 2mo ago
It's obviously not designed for mobile but I wouldn't call it unfriendly, it's still fast and pretty easy to read. It also works perfectly with Firefox reader mode.
Krssst 2mo ago
Firefox's reader mode works really well on the article, I wonder why it's not the default for unstyled pages.
xnx 2mo ago
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0"> is the only thing keeping this page from being mobile friendly. Having that not be the browser default was a good idea in 2008, but not now.
- account42 2mo ago
  It wasn't a good idea even in 2008.
- zahlman 2mo ago
  I don't have a smartphone to test on. What happens without this?
  - oakesm9 2mo ago
    You essentially see the desktop version zoomed out by default with tiny text. You need to zoom in, but the line length is still desktop sized so you need to scroll left and right as well as up and down to read it.
    - account42 2mo ago
      And mobile browsers keep this defective by design default even they now all have an actual desktop mode that does pretty much the same thing but more consistently.
  - xnx 2mo ago
    If you want to see it for yourself: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/device-mode https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/device-mode
- deleted 2mo ago
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- lenkite 2mo ago
  Never understood why we need to add this ridiculous tag for mobile. CSS/HTML are responsive by default.
  - ASalazarMX 2mo ago
    But tables are not. The widest row overrides the rest, making everything else tiny.
barbazoo 2mo ago
That's a feature for me, not a bug. Not everything has to be everything-friendly all the time, especially if it makes it easier to consume content or stuff. Edit: I'm forgetting about certain accessibility issues, although I'm not sure this plain page isn't a good fit for accessibility tools.
recursive 2mo ago
This sounds like a critique of mobile browsers. Make friendliness the default!
childofhedgehog 2mo ago
What part of this is actually not mobile friendly? I’d argue this is laid out pretty well compared to some websites that are “mobile friendly” but load poorly or make it impossible to scroll.
- recursive 2mo ago
  If you need to scroll the viewport left and right to read a line of text, that seems kind of unfriendly.
  - Rebelgecko 2mo ago
    On my screen it fit perfectly after double tapping
    - pynappo 2mo ago
      I mean it fits, but i don't find the text size particularly usable for mobile On vivaldi mobile on an android phone (with an approximately 6x3" display), i see this as the first line: > On 2026 August 5, within a few minutes of 06:35 UTC, an upper stage (section) of a rocket used for a lunar mission will hit the And for me, reading a 124 character wide line on a 3" wide screen (75mmish) is not particularly comfortable.
      - asdff 2mo ago
        When oriented horizontally, the text becomes larger than a lot of the ios system text size
jonathanlydall 2mo ago
I used reading mode on Safari and it was perfect for reading.
jdironman 2mo ago
In this pages case, I disagree. I feel like when pages try to force their 'aspect ratio / styling' to fit the view port I have to fight more with it. at least as it stands I can zoom as needed on this page, I can appreciate the web devs 'vision' as in how it probably appeared on their machine. I honestly hate mobile sites unless they are done just super super well which is harder than expected. https://rockauto.com https://rockauto.com is one such site that I think works really well on mobile.
- somat 2mo ago
  A page like this, with minimal styling, the whole point is the author does not care, the author expects the user's agent to style the document optimally for it's dimensions., the optimal in responsive design. this was the original vision for the web, the agent supplies most of the style. Except it does not, for some weird reason unstyled pages like this which should look great on mobile look like ass. Why are mobile browsers defaults so wrong? This hits hard because this is how I build my pages (you can probably tell I am not a front end designer) I just want to put well structured content out and let the users agent display it in the manner that suits the user best. And it mostly works, it will not win any awards but it looks fine. Until someone asks why it looks like the dog's breakfast on mobile.
  - perilunar 2mo ago
    As mentioned above, adding a viewport meta tag will make most unstyled pages look much better on mobile. <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0"> > Why are mobile browsers defaults so wrong? History. When mobile browsers first appeared they had to default to a desktop page width to avoid breaking exisiting content, much of which was either built in layout tables or used CSS that assumed a wider window. The viewport meta tag was introduced (by Apple in Mobile Safari when the iPhone first came out, IIRC) so developers could override that behaviour. I think the defaults made a lot of sense at the time, and Apple made the right choice.
RandallBrown 2mo ago
I kinda think it's more mobile friendly than desktop friendly (although it isn't great on either.) It's sorta hard to read text that spans the whole screen and at least on mobile, that's not nearly as wide.
- account42 2mo ago
  You don't have to make your browser as wide on your screen on desktop either.
bartread 2mo ago
> not mobile friendly. It’s not what I’d call mobile unfriendly either. I had to zoom in slightly but then it’s perfectly readable in landscape. Some very basic inline responsive CSS would make it work great in portrait too. But the thing is, with no ads, complex layout, or other bullshit, it’s perfectly usable on mobile as is. I’d certainly take this over any website from any major media outlet, other than those that are publicly funded like the BBC (and, even then, only in the UK because they show ads everywhere else).
- account42 2mo ago
  You don't need any responsive CSS as HTML is responsive by default. It's just mobile browsers that have decided they know better and you need to add a meta tag to tell them to actually follow the standard.
ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
> The main drawback with the page's unstyled design is that the page is not mobile friendly. Then fix mobile browsers to display it correctly.
- phoghed 2mo ago
  They’re already fixed, just add the meta tag if you give the slightest semblance of a shit. Otherwise don’t and people may be less inclined to engage with your content on their phone.
  - ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
    Add what in a meta tag? Why should web developers change their content to work on defective browsers?
    - account42 2mo ago
      Exactly, all the meta tag does is tell mobile browsers to follow the standard as written before they existed. They should just do that by default.
      - phoghed 2mo ago
        Because it wouldn’t work for every website and the web almost never breaks backward compatibility.
        ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
        So if I have a block of totally unstyled HTML, why wouldn't a phone browser just display it in the most sensible way possible?
        account42 2mo ago
        It would work a lot better than what mobile browsers are doing now. The only websites that can be argued to be helped by that were those with fixed table layouts - but those are still pretty unusable even with the standards-noncompliant hack. And websites that were mobile-compatible before like plain HTML sites like the TFA are needlessly broken.
gavinsyancey 2mo ago
I read it on a mobile device and found it perfectly legible. I like small text though.
dredmorbius 2mo ago
With Firefox Reader Mode (also available on a few other browsers) it's perfect. Though that rather invites the question of why browser defaults are so poor.
asdff 2mo ago
The page is great on my phone. Loads instantly unlike any other mobile website in existence, seemingly.

by sheept 2mo ago

burkaman 2mo ago

It's obviously not designed for mobile but I wouldn't call it unfriendly, it's still fast and pretty easy to read. It also works perfectly with Firefox reader mode.

Krssst 2mo ago

Firefox's reader mode works really well on the article, I wonder why it's not the default for unstyled pages.

xnx 2mo ago

account42 2mo ago
It wasn't a good idea even in 2008.
zahlman 2mo ago
I don't have a smartphone to test on. What happens without this?
- oakesm9 2mo ago
  You essentially see the desktop version zoomed out by default with tiny text. You need to zoom in, but the line length is still desktop sized so you need to scroll left and right as well as up and down to read it.
  - account42 2mo ago
    And mobile browsers keep this defective by design default even they now all have an actual desktop mode that does pretty much the same thing but more consistently.
- xnx 2mo ago
  If you want to see it for yourself: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/device-mode https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools/device-mode
deleted 2mo ago
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lenkite 2mo ago
Never understood why we need to add this ridiculous tag for mobile. CSS/HTML are responsive by default.
- ASalazarMX 2mo ago
  But tables are not. The widest row overrides the rest, making everything else tiny.

barbazoo 2mo ago

That's a feature for me, not a bug. Not everything has to be everything-friendly all the time, especially if it makes it easier to consume content or stuff. Edit: I'm forgetting about certain accessibility issues, although I'm not sure this plain page isn't a good fit for accessibility tools.

recursive 2mo ago

This sounds like a critique of mobile browsers. Make friendliness the default!

childofhedgehog 2mo ago

What part of this is actually not mobile friendly? I’d argue this is laid out pretty well compared to some websites that are “mobile friendly” but load poorly or make it impossible to scroll.

recursive 2mo ago
If you need to scroll the viewport left and right to read a line of text, that seems kind of unfriendly.
- Rebelgecko 2mo ago
  On my screen it fit perfectly after double tapping
  - pynappo 2mo ago
    I mean it fits, but i don't find the text size particularly usable for mobile On vivaldi mobile on an android phone (with an approximately 6x3" display), i see this as the first line: > On 2026 August 5, within a few minutes of 06:35 UTC, an upper stage (section) of a rocket used for a lunar mission will hit the And for me, reading a 124 character wide line on a 3" wide screen (75mmish) is not particularly comfortable.
    - asdff 2mo ago
      When oriented horizontally, the text becomes larger than a lot of the ios system text size

jonathanlydall 2mo ago

I used reading mode on Safari and it was perfect for reading.

jdironman 2mo ago

In this pages case, I disagree. I feel like when pages try to force their 'aspect ratio / styling' to fit the view port I have to fight more with it. at least as it stands I can zoom as needed on this page, I can appreciate the web devs 'vision' as in how it probably appeared on their machine. I honestly hate mobile sites unless they are done just super super well which is harder than expected. https://rockauto.com https://rockauto.com is one such site that I think works really well on mobile.

somat 2mo ago
A page like this, with minimal styling, the whole point is the author does not care, the author expects the user's agent to style the document optimally for it's dimensions., the optimal in responsive design. this was the original vision for the web, the agent supplies most of the style. Except it does not, for some weird reason unstyled pages like this which should look great on mobile look like ass. Why are mobile browsers defaults so wrong? This hits hard because this is how I build my pages (you can probably tell I am not a front end designer) I just want to put well structured content out and let the users agent display it in the manner that suits the user best. And it mostly works, it will not win any awards but it looks fine. Until someone asks why it looks like the dog's breakfast on mobile.
- perilunar 2mo ago
  As mentioned above, adding a viewport meta tag will make most unstyled pages look much better on mobile. <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0"> > Why are mobile browsers defaults so wrong? History. When mobile browsers first appeared they had to default to a desktop page width to avoid breaking exisiting content, much of which was either built in layout tables or used CSS that assumed a wider window. The viewport meta tag was introduced (by Apple in Mobile Safari when the iPhone first came out, IIRC) so developers could override that behaviour. I think the defaults made a lot of sense at the time, and Apple made the right choice.

RandallBrown 2mo ago

I kinda think it's more mobile friendly than desktop friendly (although it isn't great on either.) It's sorta hard to read text that spans the whole screen and at least on mobile, that's not nearly as wide.

account42 2mo ago
You don't have to make your browser as wide on your screen on desktop either.

bartread 2mo ago

> not mobile friendly. It’s not what I’d call mobile unfriendly either. I had to zoom in slightly but then it’s perfectly readable in landscape. Some very basic inline responsive CSS would make it work great in portrait too. But the thing is, with no ads, complex layout, or other bullshit, it’s perfectly usable on mobile as is. I’d certainly take this over any website from any major media outlet, other than those that are publicly funded like the BBC (and, even then, only in the UK because they show ads everywhere else).

account42 2mo ago
You don't need any responsive CSS as HTML is responsive by default. It's just mobile browsers that have decided they know better and you need to add a meta tag to tell them to actually follow the standard.

ErroneousBosh 2mo ago

> The main drawback with the page's unstyled design is that the page is not mobile friendly. Then fix mobile browsers to display it correctly.

phoghed 2mo ago
They’re already fixed, just add the meta tag if you give the slightest semblance of a shit. Otherwise don’t and people may be less inclined to engage with your content on their phone.
- ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
  Add what in a meta tag? Why should web developers change their content to work on defective browsers?
  - account42 2mo ago
    Exactly, all the meta tag does is tell mobile browsers to follow the standard as written before they existed. They should just do that by default.
    - phoghed 2mo ago
      Because it wouldn’t work for every website and the web almost never breaks backward compatibility.
      - ErroneousBosh 2mo ago
        So if I have a block of totally unstyled HTML, why wouldn't a phone browser just display it in the most sensible way possible?
      - account42 2mo ago
        It would work a lot better than what mobile browsers are doing now. The only websites that can be argued to be helped by that were those with fixed table layouts - but those are still pretty unusable even with the standards-noncompliant hack. And websites that were mobile-compatible before like plain HTML sites like the TFA are needlessly broken.

gavinsyancey 2mo ago

I read it on a mobile device and found it perfectly legible. I like small text though.

dredmorbius 2mo ago

With Firefox Reader Mode (also available on a few other browsers) it's perfect. Though that rather invites the question of why browser defaults are so poor.

asdff 2mo ago

The page is great on my phone. Loads instantly unlike any other mobile website in existence, seemingly.