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Why do we need to verify age? You can't tell me that these social media companies don't already know exactly how old someone is just based on the enormous data
by sschueller 2mo ago
Why do we need to verify age?
You can't tell me that these social media companies don't already know exactly how old someone is just based on the enormous data that is collected.
- satvikpendem 2mo agoThey do already like YouTube and ChatGPT, so they'll ask for your age only when they're unsure.
- creatacc 2mo agochatgpt began to spam me pretty hard for last a few months. chatgpt basically never sent email and it's regular now - like 2 4 emails per month so, it doesn't look great for chatgpt
- EmbarrassedHelp 2mo agoAnd that should be highly illegal to demand that a user submits to age verification.
- satvikpendem 2mo agoWhy? Sounds like it'd be the exact opposite, if they're showing age gated stuff of course they'd ask for your age.
- palata 2mo agoA big concern around age verification is that some people will be locked out because they can't prove their age. Your solution here has the same flaw, I think. If the algorithm thinks I'm underage, I'm locked out.
- creatacc 2mo agobeing locked out = less profit = firing management by shareholders it will solve by consumers, don't worry
- upheaval7276 2mo agoyep, just like cases now where people are locked out of their accounts for no reason with no recourse. totally solved!
- brookst 2mo agoIn the aggregate sure. But do you really think profit motive means they will be precise for every individual?
- j16sdiz 2mo agoIt won't. Do you aware how many people are locked out from access of the bank because the bank think they are too risky by some algorithm and no human review? And people got rejected for flying because they have same name as somebody on no fly list?
- palata 2mo agoThe number of people who are marginalised is... marginal. By definition it doesn't have a sensible impact on profit. That's precisely why it is a problem to be marginalised.
- MichaelZuo 2mo agoIsn’t that… life? Even literal regulated electricity utilities aren’t expected to provide service to every last marginal customer. For example, a poor old grandma missing many electricity bill payments usually will see leniency if she is polite, the utility eventually won’t try to collect cash anymore and instead put a lien on the home while continuing to provide service. But if the billing department receives multiple threats from her, then they may just cut the service.
- johnnyanmac 2mo agoI really hope our freedom's aren't relinquished on a platform as fortified as "It is what it is".
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- nephihaha 2mo agoBecause it's all about bringing in digital ID and gated internet. Not age.
- trentor 2mo agoIf you want to use a service that is age restricted either by law or the company providing it how else would you do it? It's the same IRL. I don't like it as well and we certainly lived through the wild wild west times in the 90s and 00s but the more something gets economical important the more scrutiny it gets. Maybe we just need something new.
- docjay 2mo agoWell these kind of laws are trying to legislate technology into existence; we don’t have a means to do it, yet “we demand for the technology to exist through ‘reasonable methods’, now get to work.” If that’s the nearly infinite wiggle room we’re playing with then I’d say what about Adult and Child versions of phones? You have to flash your ID to the clerk to buy an adult one, like buying cigarettes at a gas station, and then you get to do what the internet offers. Child phones - let parents and governments come up with whatever they want to block. The phone autoupdates in the background with the blocklist, the device can’t do those things. There ya go. Each person and family gets to make their own choices and nobody has to give an ID card to PornHub or a company that literally exists to harvest your information. Win-win?
- skinfaxi 2mo agoWe already have a version of the child phone: it's parental supervision. When I was a kid there was no TV in my bedroom nor a computer. Everything I watched or did online was on full display in the family room. What changed in the modern home where that's not the case? Are kids glued to their phones because their parents are too?
- docjay 2mo agoI completely agree. In fact the tools already exist to make a “child” phone. I was just giving up some inconsequential ground since many people are apparently stuck on the government padding the earth to protect their fuck-trophy. “OK - government mandated OPTIONAL DNS filtering on all routers. Super easy interface, auto-subscribe to government compiled list.” Scratches their itch and doesn’t affect me since I just won’t enable it, nor will I buy the “child phone”, and I don’t have to send a rectal scan to Facebook either. Yay all around.
- mrguyorama 2mo agoThey would prefer to know, not estimate, which is why they are pushing these initiatives basically on their own accord. Also, if you've ever played with this kind of data, there is immense overlap between how some adults and some kids use the internet. Is this user legally a child, or just emotionally a child? Similar to the problem of "There is overlap between the smartest bears and dumbest tourists" in designing bear proof garbage cans.