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I bought a K4 Nordic version, only to learn none of their software supports it. So i can't reconfigure the firmware. The keyboard has swapped Super/Alt (Window

I bought a K4 Nordic version, only to learn none of their software supports it. So i can't reconfigure the firmware. The keyboard has swapped Super/Alt (Windows/Alt) on the windows layout which is so annoying. I hate spending money on hardware so i'm living with it, but i curse the engineer that burned the prom every day.

benoau 2mo ago
That sucks, the main reason I like KeyChron is the little switch on the side of mine that toggles between Mac and Windows! I wouldn't buy another keyboard without this feature TBH.
- martinjc 2mo ago
  Yeah on the mac it works fine. The keyboard just shipped with the Left Alt and Left Windows key in the correct positions, but they are mapped opposite in the firmware. Imagine how maddening it was in the beginning.
  - benoau 2mo ago
    Are you sure you don't have a tiny switch on the side? The manual indicates it should have one - https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-user-manual https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-user-manual
    - martinjc 2mo ago
      I do, but when on the windows mode the keys mentioned are in the wrong positions. -- Edit and if i switch to the macOS mode. The right alt-gr key is not mapped correctly.
      - Barbing 2mo ago
        On macOS: I use my Keychron C3 in Windows mode because the macOS mode ain't right with the bottom left corner keys. Maybe placement of Control/Option/Command aren't similar enough to the MacBook Pro keyboard for me. Been meaning to figure this out and fix it... swapping physical keycaps or remapping in software or replacing the keyboard...
        martinjc 2mo ago
        Waiting for it to die and will not buy another of theirs. Piece of shit.
        Barbing 2mo ago
        Aw I like mine! Besides those few keys of layout. Hope your next buy's perfect.
        ErikBjare 2mo ago
        I don't think I've ever had a keyboard die on me
      - wlesieutre 2mo ago
        If you're not aware, you can remap modifier keys in System Settings on macOS. It doesn't have individual settings for left/right versions of a modifier key, so keep it in whichever mode has the modifiers on left/right paired with each other correctly, and then swap their functions to the right ones. https://i.imgur.com/FXkmZRV.png https://i.imgur.com/FXkmZRV.png Settings are per keyboard so fixing your external keyboard won't mix up any other keyboards you use (particularly for laptops).
  - mananaysiempre 2mo ago
    GP’s point is that many keyboards these days come with a Mac/Windows switch, and one of the things that switch does is swap the keycodes sent by the Alt and Win keys—the “Mac” behaviour is exactly what you’re describing. (The other thing it does is toggle FnLock for the F-keys.) So if I had a problem like yours with my keyboard I’d think that the Mac/Win switch were in the wrong position. If I’m reading page 9 of the manual[1] right, on the K4 the switch in question is right next to the USB-C port. [1] https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-keyboard-user-manual https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-keyboard-user-manual
  - theodric 2mo ago
    Just remap it! If you're on Windows, SharpKeys will do that for you. https://github.com/randyrants/sharpkeys https://github.com/randyrants/sharpkeys
    - martinjc 2mo ago
      I have autohotkey for remapping. The issue is when i boot into a rpi with a new build, i don't want to pollute it with custom xbind mappings.
      - theodric 2mo ago
        usbhidproxy would seem to fit the bill, then https://github.com/moonsightz/usbhidproxy https://github.com/moonsightz/usbhidproxy
- ThrowawayR2 2mo ago
  > "the little switch on the side of mine that toggles between Mac and Windows" The physical slide switch on the Keychrons is a net negative for power users who use a KVM between Windows/Mac/Linux because it would wear out quickly and isn't replaceable. It's more sensible to have switching between layouts by keypress combination.
  - svelle 2mo ago
    Have been using one of their keyboards for two years switching between windows and macos and that key was not the one that wore out first. Plus on most keyboards you could configure the layout switch with qmk anyways.
  - bigfishrunning 2mo ago
    At least on the keychrons i've got, you can absolutely configure layout changes via key combination, and that slide switch is just an input like every button is an input. I've got 2 that both run QMK firmware, so maybe the non-QMK ones can't do that, but at least some can.
- asabla 2mo ago
  I had a similar issue with mine. But was able to reset it with Fn + z + j for a couple of seconds.
- RicoElectrico 2mo ago
  Well, seems to be popular on these kinda keyboards. At least my NuPhy has it.
BrandoElFollito 2mo ago
Why not reconfiguring it with something like AutoHotkey at the OS level ?
zakisaad 2mo ago
> I hate spending money on hardware so i'm living with it This is an odd take to me, as personally I'd be more willing to spend money on well designed and made hardware, than most software.

benoau 2mo ago

That sucks, the main reason I like KeyChron is the little switch on the side of mine that toggles between Mac and Windows! I wouldn't buy another keyboard without this feature TBH.

martinjc 2mo ago
Yeah on the mac it works fine. The keyboard just shipped with the Left Alt and Left Windows key in the correct positions, but they are mapped opposite in the firmware. Imagine how maddening it was in the beginning.
- benoau 2mo ago
  Are you sure you don't have a tiny switch on the side? The manual indicates it should have one - https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-user-manual https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-user-manual
  - martinjc 2mo ago
    I do, but when on the windows mode the keys mentioned are in the wrong positions. -- Edit and if i switch to the macOS mode. The right alt-gr key is not mapped correctly.
    - Barbing 2mo ago
      On macOS: I use my Keychron C3 in Windows mode because the macOS mode ain't right with the bottom left corner keys. Maybe placement of Control/Option/Command aren't similar enough to the MacBook Pro keyboard for me. Been meaning to figure this out and fix it... swapping physical keycaps or remapping in software or replacing the keyboard...
      - martinjc 2mo ago
        Waiting for it to die and will not buy another of theirs. Piece of shit.
        Barbing 2mo ago
        Aw I like mine! Besides those few keys of layout. Hope your next buy's perfect.
        ErikBjare 2mo ago
        I don't think I've ever had a keyboard die on me
    - wlesieutre 2mo ago
      If you're not aware, you can remap modifier keys in System Settings on macOS. It doesn't have individual settings for left/right versions of a modifier key, so keep it in whichever mode has the modifiers on left/right paired with each other correctly, and then swap their functions to the right ones. https://i.imgur.com/FXkmZRV.png https://i.imgur.com/FXkmZRV.png Settings are per keyboard so fixing your external keyboard won't mix up any other keyboards you use (particularly for laptops).
- mananaysiempre 2mo ago
  GP’s point is that many keyboards these days come with a Mac/Windows switch, and one of the things that switch does is swap the keycodes sent by the Alt and Win keys—the “Mac” behaviour is exactly what you’re describing. (The other thing it does is toggle FnLock for the F-keys.) So if I had a problem like yours with my keyboard I’d think that the Mac/Win switch were in the wrong position. If I’m reading page 9 of the manual[1] right, on the K4 the switch in question is right next to the USB-C port. [1] https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-keyboard-user-manual https://www.keychron.com/pages/k4-keyboard-user-manual
- theodric 2mo ago
  Just remap it! If you're on Windows, SharpKeys will do that for you. https://github.com/randyrants/sharpkeys https://github.com/randyrants/sharpkeys
  - martinjc 2mo ago
    I have autohotkey for remapping. The issue is when i boot into a rpi with a new build, i don't want to pollute it with custom xbind mappings.
    - theodric 2mo ago
      usbhidproxy would seem to fit the bill, then https://github.com/moonsightz/usbhidproxy https://github.com/moonsightz/usbhidproxy
ThrowawayR2 2mo ago
> "the little switch on the side of mine that toggles between Mac and Windows" The physical slide switch on the Keychrons is a net negative for power users who use a KVM between Windows/Mac/Linux because it would wear out quickly and isn't replaceable. It's more sensible to have switching between layouts by keypress combination.
- svelle 2mo ago
  Have been using one of their keyboards for two years switching between windows and macos and that key was not the one that wore out first. Plus on most keyboards you could configure the layout switch with qmk anyways.
- bigfishrunning 2mo ago
  At least on the keychrons i've got, you can absolutely configure layout changes via key combination, and that slide switch is just an input like every button is an input. I've got 2 that both run QMK firmware, so maybe the non-QMK ones can't do that, but at least some can.
asabla 2mo ago
I had a similar issue with mine. But was able to reset it with Fn + z + j for a couple of seconds.
RicoElectrico 2mo ago
Well, seems to be popular on these kinda keyboards. At least my NuPhy has it.

BrandoElFollito 2mo ago

Why not reconfiguring it with something like AutoHotkey at the OS level ?

zakisaad 2mo ago

> I hate spending money on hardware so i'm living with it This is an odd take to me, as personally I'd be more willing to spend money on well designed and made hardware, than most software.