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What do you mean how you never write? You can just write what for want to say instead of saying it out loud. It is not a special skill, it's no different than h

What do you mean how you never write? You can just write what for want to say instead of saying it out loud. It is not a special skill, it's no different than how you write a message, just that you don't hit backspace to go back and correct things.

estearum 3mo ago
Correct, it's no different from how you normally write, except for the ways in which it is. We agree.
- Dylan16807 3mo ago
  When you're making a big deal out of it being "much harder" because it's "how you never write" and they're saying that's just "not hitting backspace"? No, you don't agree.
  - estearum 3mo ago
    How frequently do you write in a stream of consciousness and not hit backspace? Maybe give a ballpark estimate of characters typed per week in this manner versus characters typed where you are doing some combination of: 1) thinking about what you're writing before you write it, 2) punctuating and formatting correctly, or 3) correcting your writing output? Ridiculous proposition. And I type correctly at 110+ wpm.
    - Dylan16807 3mo ago
      How often I do it doesn't matter because it's such a trivial thing to switch. If you're gonna "try it for a few weeks" the part of you that has to learn the typing-specific parts of that method is about 1% of the difficulty. It's really easy to ignore typos. And the way you have to approach thinking and correcting is the same whether you're typing or voicing. If you can't just type the way you would just talk, and you find it notably hard, it's you that's being ridiculous.
      - estearum 3mo ago
        But it's literally not. You already correct yourself and revise your speech in an append-only rolling edit. You do it all day every day for decades. Versus never writing in this way. Have you tried the voice-based prompting, as I'm describing?
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
        "never" schmever. I never ramble unrestrained either. Deciding not to edit at all is a skill either way. If you just want the equivalent of voice in a normal way, you remove backspace and that's it. > Have you tried the voice-based prompting, as I'm describing? I've never prompted a thing. I can just see your distinction is nonsense. If you think it's hard you're doing it wrong. And wow I did that post without revising a thing. Wow.
        estearum 3mo ago
        Right. So the crux of the issue here is you have no experience with what's being discussed, while I do. Sheesh, imagine thinking you choose not to rewind time and "edit" the speech that has already come out of your mouth lmao.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
        I'm doing it right now you goober! Stop calling it hard! What experience do you insist I'm lacking in something I'm doing right now?
        estearum 3mo ago
        Maybe you lost the thread, but this is a conversation about using dictation (specifically modern dictation tools like Whisper derivatives) to prompt coding agents.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
TeMPOraL 3mo ago
> it's no different than how you write a message, just that you don't hit backspace to go back and correct things. Yes, that. If you do that when writing to another person, you come off as blabbering, incoherent moron. Fortunately, very few people do that, because communicating with people who write like they talk is incredibly hard. I'd worry about trying to do this on purpose; feels like the kind of "learning" that can easily spill over to non-LLM communication and make your life much harder. There's a middle ground, though. When shooting IM messages, people sometimes make typps ypos* typos** there's an append-only procedure for fixing that, which I just demonstrated. Also they don't always finish everything in one message in fact a nice thing about IMs is being able to not use full sentences that would work with LLMs, if not for the annoying "feature" that persists in most harnesses: conversations take turns, and you can just send message after message - you have to wait for LLM to finish.
- charcircuit 3mo ago
  >I'd worry about trying to do this on purpose You already have to juggle multiple writing styles between different people and use cases. It is easy to avoid submitting a pure stream of thought if you are writing a formal letter. >there's an append-only procedure for fixing that, which I just demonstrated. LLMs can figure out most typos on your own. >you have to wait for LLM to finish. I don't think any coding harnesses work like this. They let you send more messages to steer the model while it's working.

estearum 3mo ago

Correct, it's no different from how you normally write, except for the ways in which it is. We agree.

Dylan16807 3mo ago
When you're making a big deal out of it being "much harder" because it's "how you never write" and they're saying that's just "not hitting backspace"? No, you don't agree.
- estearum 3mo ago
  How frequently do you write in a stream of consciousness and not hit backspace? Maybe give a ballpark estimate of characters typed per week in this manner versus characters typed where you are doing some combination of: 1) thinking about what you're writing before you write it, 2) punctuating and formatting correctly, or 3) correcting your writing output? Ridiculous proposition. And I type correctly at 110+ wpm.
  - Dylan16807 3mo ago
    How often I do it doesn't matter because it's such a trivial thing to switch. If you're gonna "try it for a few weeks" the part of you that has to learn the typing-specific parts of that method is about 1% of the difficulty. It's really easy to ignore typos. And the way you have to approach thinking and correcting is the same whether you're typing or voicing. If you can't just type the way you would just talk, and you find it notably hard, it's you that's being ridiculous.
    - estearum 3mo ago
      But it's literally not. You already correct yourself and revise your speech in an append-only rolling edit. You do it all day every day for decades. Versus never writing in this way. Have you tried the voice-based prompting, as I'm describing?
      - Dylan16807 3mo ago
        "never" schmever. I never ramble unrestrained either. Deciding not to edit at all is a skill either way. If you just want the equivalent of voice in a normal way, you remove backspace and that's it. > Have you tried the voice-based prompting, as I'm describing? I've never prompted a thing. I can just see your distinction is nonsense. If you think it's hard you're doing it wrong. And wow I did that post without revising a thing. Wow.
        estearum 3mo ago
        Right. So the crux of the issue here is you have no experience with what's being discussed, while I do. Sheesh, imagine thinking you choose not to rewind time and "edit" the speech that has already come out of your mouth lmao.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago
        I'm doing it right now you goober! Stop calling it hard! What experience do you insist I'm lacking in something I'm doing right now?
        estearum 3mo ago
        Maybe you lost the thread, but this is a conversation about using dictation (specifically modern dictation tools like Whisper derivatives) to prompt coding agents.
        Dylan16807 3mo ago

TeMPOraL 3mo ago

> it's no different than how you write a message, just that you don't hit backspace to go back and correct things. Yes, that. If you do that when writing to another person, you come off as blabbering, incoherent moron. Fortunately, very few people do that, because communicating with people who write like they talk is incredibly hard. I'd worry about trying to do this on purpose; feels like the kind of "learning" that can easily spill over to non-LLM communication and make your life much harder. There's a middle ground, though. When shooting IM messages, people sometimes make typps ypos* typos** there's an append-only procedure for fixing that, which I just demonstrated. Also they don't always finish everything in one message in fact a nice thing about IMs is being able to not use full sentences that would work with LLMs, if not for the annoying "feature" that persists in most harnesses: conversations take turns, and you can just send message after message - you have to wait for LLM to finish.

charcircuit 3mo ago
>I'd worry about trying to do this on purpose You already have to juggle multiple writing styles between different people and use cases. It is easy to avoid submitting a pure stream of thought if you are writing a formal letter. >there's an append-only procedure for fixing that, which I just demonstrated. LLMs can figure out most typos on your own. >you have to wait for LLM to finish. I don't think any coding harnesses work like this. They let you send more messages to steer the model while it's working.