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Read the article. It's 67% of registered obgyns and fully 100% of some hospitals. Why would you believe it's 1 of 1000 in a world where countries consistently

Read the article. It's 67% of registered obgyns and fully 100% of some hospitals. Why would you believe it's 1 of 1000 in a world where countries consistently successfully create legislature targeting women?

altern8 2mo ago
Because I'm from Italy and I have women friends and I know that there are a lot of places where you can get a prescription for abortion pills. We don't need random websites to hand out prescription drugs to kids.
- kamma4434 2mo ago
  In 2022 there were about 65k abortions in Italy, two thirds of which were with ru486. All of them completely legal and paid for by the national health care. Not sure there is a need for pills over mail.
  - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
    It's great Italy it has the protections it does, but as long as there are practitioners or institutions that might not respect obtaining this healthcare (out of religion, belief system, whatever, the reason is irrelevant), there should be robust systems to avoid those challenges for those seeking said healthcare. Pills available by mail on demand, automated vending machines, etc. As mentioned in the 1983 film "WarGames", "We ought to take the men out of the loop".
    - altern8 2mo ago
      Do you realize that abortion pills are potentially dangerous..? That's why you have doctors prescribing drugs
      - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
        > Do you realize that abortion pills are potentially dangerous..? That's why you have doctors prescribing drugs False. They've been repeatedly shown in studies to be safe for home use. Having an abortion is generally safer than continuing a pregnancy to term. Please update your priors. Citations: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2847537 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/articl... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32912726/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32912726/ https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/medication-abortion-safety_2021_FINAL.pdf https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/medicatio... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-is-far-more-dangerous-to-women-than-abortion/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-is-far-... https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how-to-get-abortion-pills https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how-to-get-abortion-pills
        altern8 2mo ago
        I don't know where you're from but in Italy MANY medicines that are potentially dangerous but safe for home use are prescribed by a doctor that knows about your medical history. Please look up "potentially dangerous". In addition, for many women getting an abortion can be extremely traumatic. That's why many clinics that offer abortion pills also have a psychologist on staff. Sometimes they'll have he/she talk to the patient.
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- flaviolivolsi 2mo ago
  Then probably you're in the north

altern8 2mo ago

Because I'm from Italy and I have women friends and I know that there are a lot of places where you can get a prescription for abortion pills. We don't need random websites to hand out prescription drugs to kids.

kamma4434 2mo ago
In 2022 there were about 65k abortions in Italy, two thirds of which were with ru486. All of them completely legal and paid for by the national health care. Not sure there is a need for pills over mail.
- toomuchtodo 2mo ago
  It's great Italy it has the protections it does, but as long as there are practitioners or institutions that might not respect obtaining this healthcare (out of religion, belief system, whatever, the reason is irrelevant), there should be robust systems to avoid those challenges for those seeking said healthcare. Pills available by mail on demand, automated vending machines, etc. As mentioned in the 1983 film "WarGames", "We ought to take the men out of the loop".
  - altern8 2mo ago
    Do you realize that abortion pills are potentially dangerous..? That's why you have doctors prescribing drugs
    - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
      > Do you realize that abortion pills are potentially dangerous..? That's why you have doctors prescribing drugs False. They've been repeatedly shown in studies to be safe for home use. Having an abortion is generally safer than continuing a pregnancy to term. Please update your priors. Citations: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2847537 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/articl... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32912726/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32912726/ https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/medication-abortion-safety_2021_FINAL.pdf https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/medicatio... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-is-far-more-dangerous-to-women-than-abortion/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-is-far-... https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/ https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how-to-get-abortion-pills https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how-to-get-abortion-pills
      - altern8 2mo ago
        I don't know where you're from but in Italy MANY medicines that are potentially dangerous but safe for home use are prescribed by a doctor that knows about your medical history. Please look up "potentially dangerous". In addition, for many women getting an abortion can be extremely traumatic. That's why many clinics that offer abortion pills also have a psychologist on staff. Sometimes they'll have he/she talk to the patient.
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flaviolivolsi 2mo ago
Then probably you're in the north