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I really think we should be solving a much bigger problem of the major email providers not providing an automated way of handling abuse and not caring about abu
by jwr 3mo ago
I really think we should be solving a much bigger problem of the major email providers not providing an automated way of handling abuse and not caring about abuse reports at all. Most of my spam comes from the three major email providers and at this point I gave up even trying to send abuse reports because they just get ignored.
The big companies do not have to care because nobody will block Google, Microsoft or Amazon. They are too big to fail.
Spoofing a From field is an insignificant problem in comparison.
- cube00 3mo agoIt's ironic that I set everything up correctly on my self hosted domain and still end up in spam because of my low volume. I even go to the trouble of registering in their Postmaster Tools and clogging up my DNS with their verification tokens all for the tools to tell me I don't send enough mail while they happily pass what little mail I send straight to spam. Not enough outgoing email You haven't sent enough email to personal Gmail (@gmail.com) accounts to determine deliverability status for your domain and messages. Each screen only shows: "No data was found for this domain." Guess it doesn't help that as I look today the Postmaster Tools dashboard shows "Last updated Sun, Apr 26, at 9:30 AM." Then on the other hand Google can flood me with spam filled Google Calendar Invites and Google Drive Share notifications, all fully DKIM signed because they are coming out of those services, all day long. Microsoft have also recently changed their Smart Network Data Service (SNDS) so now only my cloud provider can access the console as they only allow verification to the owner of the whole ASN block you're under. I can't access detail about my domain anymore, and still my mail goes to junk. Unless you own a chunk of IPv4 ASN range you're out of luck. IPv6? Nope, not at Microsoft. "Please note that IPv6 is not currently supported." [1] [1]: https://substrate.office.com/ip-domain-management-snds/SNDS/AddNetwork https://substrate.office.com/ip-domain-management-snds/SNDS/...
- butterknife 3mo agoIn the same boat here. At least still have a good standing at Microft. Lost goodwill at big G by what I vaguely narrowed down to self hosted images in e-mail signature.
- draygonia 3mo agoDon't self-hosted images in the email signature allow you to track whether the email was opened or not and potentially where it was opened? I can only imagine they want you to pay for that privilege as a service.
- account42 3mo agoGmail already proxies embedded images so you'd only be able to track when an email was opened the first time. Anyway, I have been sending (very low volume) of mails with self-hosted images embedded in the body for years without problems with Gmail but Microsoft doesn't like my VPS IP because sometimes there are temporarly bad actors on the same block. So I guess it's mostly random luck.
- newsoftheday 3mo agoI just checked my email server's IP and it is still listed at https://substrate.office.com/ip-domain-management-snds/SNDS/WhoElse https://substrate.office.com/ip-domain-management-snds/SNDS/... And I can Remove or Renew Access, or those links are showing.
- thesuitonym 3mo agoEmail providers do have an automated way of handling abuse. Send the message to abuse@provider and they automatically ignore it. =)
- account42 3mo agoAgreed, most spam has valid DMARC - whether that's bigmail.com or just nobodcarestoprotectsubdomains.randompwnedcompany.com
- Geezus_42 2mo agoThe purpose of DMARC has nothing to do with stopping spam.
- inigyou 2mo agoAs a rule of thumb, big companies only listen to lawsuits.
- Freebytes 2mo agoNot to mention that the larger companies are incentivized not to deliver your email due to low volume. If your service does not work, companies will be encouraged to use Google or Microsoft instead.