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Also a liquid glass hater, but for what it's worth, 27 is supposed to make it a little bit better. I would prefer to go back to what I had before I had to upgra

Also a liquid glass hater, but for what it's worth, 27 is supposed to make it a little bit better. I would prefer to go back to what I had before I had to upgrade into this horrible UI, but this is better than nothing. https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-macos-27 https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-m...

lapcat 2mo ago
> this is better than nothing. Having installed the beta, I think that's the best you can say about it.
- illithid0 2mo ago
  As long as the UI improves and I can ignore all the AI stuff they're starting to push through, that's fine with me, though like many longtime macOS users, I'm not holding my breath for a bug-free experience.
  - dylan604 2mo ago
    > though like many longtime macOS users For those of us older than just 10 years of using macOS, the older Apple OSes have instilled within us the desire to never install the X.0 release and wait until at least the X.1 release. The bug-free experience is a myth
    - D-Coder 2mo ago
      > wait until at least the X.1 release I think that applies to almost all software, not just Apple OSes. After all, Confucius said: "The only thing worse than old software is new software."
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
    > AI stuff they're starting to push through iOS 26 anecdote: A couple of weeks ago, I had a Baltimore Oriole (a cool-looking bird, not a baseball player) in my yard. They aren't rare, per se, but they are uncommon. Took my iPhone out to snap a picture, and pressed the camera button. I hadn't used it, since upgrading to 26. It takes the picture. It's there. I can see it, but it won't let me save it. Instead, it wants to tell me about the cool new voice-activated AI retouch feature. There was no way to save. I probably could have figured it out, but I was so furious, I just nuked the picture.
    - pseudosaid 2mo ago
      for real? it did, like every subsequent photo taken on the device after pressing the shutter “button”. You must be a bot, just another living shill. another confident user error in the field
      - ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
        It was a first-time onboarding thing. After that first time, it didn’t happen again. Fairly typical kind of workflow, that most apps do, these days. It’s just that the timing couldn’t have been worse. > You must be a bot, just another living shill. another confident user error in the field I have no idea what that means.
    - DHPersonal 2mo ago
      Holding down the camera button does open the AI search for me instead of the Camera app. This can be disabled, if I remember correctly.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
        It was a one-time thing. I have that button set for the app. I have the long-press set for manual tweaking. I assume that this was trying to get me to use AI, instead.
- Jolter 2mo ago
  I hear it’s slower? Can you comment on that?
  - lapcat 2mo ago
    I haven't noticed or heard that it's slower.
    - Jolter 2mo ago
      Nice, thanks for that.
  - Tagbert 2mo ago
    The 27 betas? No, they are generally faster than 26.
  - alwillis 2mo ago
    Definitely not slow.
- etempleton 2mo ago
  Also on the beta. Agreed. Definite visual and UX improvement over 26, fixing the most egregious issues with 26 implementation of Liquid Glass, but maybe not quite as good as 25 overall.
  - lapcat 2mo ago
    > not quite as good as 25 overall Nothing will ever be as good as 25. Because macOS 25 does not exist. ;-)
    - etempleton 2mo ago
      Ahhh, my mistake. macOS 15 not to be confused with macOS 10.15
trollbridge 2mo ago
You can almost turn it off on the 27 beta, and 27 seems to perform a lot better too.
- flohofwoe 2mo ago
  You can already turn off most glass effects in 26 via "System Settings => Accessibility => Display => Reduce Transparency". I had that turned off years ago (for reasons I don't remember), and was wondering what all the fuzz was about when 26 came out because I didn't see much of a difference ;) IMHO the actual important visual changes in the 27 beta is that rolls back the bizarre oversized corner radius in Finder windows, and they also got rid of the 'every menu item must have an icon' idea.
  - trollbridge 2mo ago
    27 seems superior to 26 in almost every way, although I'm still on a fairly old beta.
  - SanjayMehta 2mo ago
    It's the first thing I turn off on a new iPhone or iPad. Started around ten years ago in the release which had animated app icons. Induced nausea.
    - trollbridge 2mo ago
      Yep. That’s why it’s in accessibility - some people can’t handle it. Other useful options are reduce motion, reduce transparency…
  - Melatonic 2mo ago
    I think that is just iOS no? Or does that work on MacOS too
    - flohofwoe 2mo ago
      It works on macOS too, I don't own any iOS devices.
hbn 2mo ago
I've been running the 27 beta and it fixes so much of the ugliness I hated in Tahoe. Lots of places had toolbars restored, solid areas that indicate where the window can be grabbed. The shitty icon spam in menus is back to sanity. And window corner radii are consistent and less bulbous.
noname120 2mo ago
macOS 17 is decisively faster on my MacBook Air M1 16 GB than macOS 26/27 is on my MacBook Pro M2 Max 32 GB. And I don’t mean just the animations themselves but lag/sluggishness/responsiveness in general.
- classified 2mo ago
  There is no macOS 17.
  - deleted 2mo ago
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  - noname120 2mo ago
    Gosh I thought I had edited it to macOS 15, now it’s too late
- iknowstuff 2mo ago
  Slower than 15 though

lapcat 2mo ago

> this is better than nothing. Having installed the beta, I think that's the best you can say about it.

illithid0 2mo ago
As long as the UI improves and I can ignore all the AI stuff they're starting to push through, that's fine with me, though like many longtime macOS users, I'm not holding my breath for a bug-free experience.
- dylan604 2mo ago
  > though like many longtime macOS users For those of us older than just 10 years of using macOS, the older Apple OSes have instilled within us the desire to never install the X.0 release and wait until at least the X.1 release. The bug-free experience is a myth
  - D-Coder 2mo ago
    > wait until at least the X.1 release I think that applies to almost all software, not just Apple OSes. After all, Confucius said: "The only thing worse than old software is new software."
- ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
  > AI stuff they're starting to push through iOS 26 anecdote: A couple of weeks ago, I had a Baltimore Oriole (a cool-looking bird, not a baseball player) in my yard. They aren't rare, per se, but they are uncommon. Took my iPhone out to snap a picture, and pressed the camera button. I hadn't used it, since upgrading to 26. It takes the picture. It's there. I can see it, but it won't let me save it. Instead, it wants to tell me about the cool new voice-activated AI retouch feature. There was no way to save. I probably could have figured it out, but I was so furious, I just nuked the picture.
  - pseudosaid 2mo ago
    for real? it did, like every subsequent photo taken on the device after pressing the shutter “button”. You must be a bot, just another living shill. another confident user error in the field
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
      It was a first-time onboarding thing. After that first time, it didn’t happen again. Fairly typical kind of workflow, that most apps do, these days. It’s just that the timing couldn’t have been worse. > You must be a bot, just another living shill. another confident user error in the field I have no idea what that means.
  - DHPersonal 2mo ago
    Holding down the camera button does open the AI search for me instead of the Camera app. This can be disabled, if I remember correctly.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2mo ago
      It was a one-time thing. I have that button set for the app. I have the long-press set for manual tweaking. I assume that this was trying to get me to use AI, instead.
Jolter 2mo ago
I hear it’s slower? Can you comment on that?
- lapcat 2mo ago
  I haven't noticed or heard that it's slower.
  - Jolter 2mo ago
    Nice, thanks for that.
- Tagbert 2mo ago
  The 27 betas? No, they are generally faster than 26.
- alwillis 2mo ago
  Definitely not slow.
etempleton 2mo ago
Also on the beta. Agreed. Definite visual and UX improvement over 26, fixing the most egregious issues with 26 implementation of Liquid Glass, but maybe not quite as good as 25 overall.
- lapcat 2mo ago
  > not quite as good as 25 overall Nothing will ever be as good as 25. Because macOS 25 does not exist. ;-)
  - etempleton 2mo ago
    Ahhh, my mistake. macOS 15 not to be confused with macOS 10.15

trollbridge 2mo ago

You can almost turn it off on the 27 beta, and 27 seems to perform a lot better too.

flohofwoe 2mo ago
You can already turn off most glass effects in 26 via "System Settings => Accessibility => Display => Reduce Transparency". I had that turned off years ago (for reasons I don't remember), and was wondering what all the fuzz was about when 26 came out because I didn't see much of a difference ;) IMHO the actual important visual changes in the 27 beta is that rolls back the bizarre oversized corner radius in Finder windows, and they also got rid of the 'every menu item must have an icon' idea.
- trollbridge 2mo ago
  27 seems superior to 26 in almost every way, although I'm still on a fairly old beta.
- SanjayMehta 2mo ago
  It's the first thing I turn off on a new iPhone or iPad. Started around ten years ago in the release which had animated app icons. Induced nausea.
  - trollbridge 2mo ago
    Yep. That’s why it’s in accessibility - some people can’t handle it. Other useful options are reduce motion, reduce transparency…
- Melatonic 2mo ago
  I think that is just iOS no? Or does that work on MacOS too
  - flohofwoe 2mo ago
    It works on macOS too, I don't own any iOS devices.

hbn 2mo ago

I've been running the 27 beta and it fixes so much of the ugliness I hated in Tahoe. Lots of places had toolbars restored, solid areas that indicate where the window can be grabbed. The shitty icon spam in menus is back to sanity. And window corner radii are consistent and less bulbous.

noname120 2mo ago

macOS 17 is decisively faster on my MacBook Air M1 16 GB than macOS 26/27 is on my MacBook Pro M2 Max 32 GB. And I don’t mean just the animations themselves but lag/sluggishness/responsiveness in general.

classified 2mo ago
There is no macOS 17.
- deleted 2mo ago
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- noname120 2mo ago
  Gosh I thought I had edited it to macOS 15, now it’s too late
iknowstuff 2mo ago
Slower than 15 though