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Bootleg AI

by TZubiri 3mo ago

Bootleg AI

Grimblewald 3mo ago
if this qualifies bootleg, point me at non-bootleg frontier ai.
victorbjorklund 3mo ago
Is Claude bootleg AI? https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_claude_35_sonnet_referring_to_itself_as/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_clau...
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- croes 3mo ago
  That’s how a smoking gone turns into a water pistol
- TZubiri 3mo ago
  I can see how, if all you ever were exposed to was that link and this post, you might think they are equivalent, and the conclusion is "whatever, everyone is stealing from each other. But the answer is no, Claude didn't train itself on ChatGPT, but Kimi K3 did train itself on Claude. There has been no accusation that I am aware of by OpenAI against Anthropic, (which are in the same jurisdiction, so it would amount to legal action). On the other hand there have been accusations with extensive detail by Anthropic on how chinese models are attacking Anthropic to reverse engineer and copy their product. There's nuance if you care to see it, but maybe it's easier to pretend that everyone is ripping each other off so that you can consume a ripoff without seeing yourself as at fault.
  - victorbjorklund 3mo ago
    point is everyone scrapes data from the internet. Do you think there is at least one page on the internet that mentions Claude as an AI? Well, then it's part of the training material.
    - TZubiri 3mo ago
      Yes, that's why Claude might think it's ChatGPT from time to time, because it scraped a url that contained chatgpt conversations. But the reason why Kimi thinks it is Claude is different, it's because chinese companies make thousands of fake accounts, fire prompts at Claude and train their models to imitate Claude.
lukewarm707 3mo ago
when open source models are banned maybe i will become a cartel kingpin smuggling open source weights into the usa. find a sufficiently shifty street corner, 'what do you need', "kimi". are you familiar with my product? pure mxfp4, $500 per TB. (joke and walter mitty, i know the government reads my messages)

Bootleg AI

by TZubiri 3mo ago

Bootleg AI

Grimblewald 3mo ago

if this qualifies bootleg, point me at non-bootleg frontier ai.

victorbjorklund 3mo ago

Is Claude bootleg AI? https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_claude_35_sonnet_referring_to_itself_as/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1e34tkr/why_is_clau...

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croes 3mo ago
That’s how a smoking gone turns into a water pistol
TZubiri 3mo ago
I can see how, if all you ever were exposed to was that link and this post, you might think they are equivalent, and the conclusion is "whatever, everyone is stealing from each other. But the answer is no, Claude didn't train itself on ChatGPT, but Kimi K3 did train itself on Claude. There has been no accusation that I am aware of by OpenAI against Anthropic, (which are in the same jurisdiction, so it would amount to legal action). On the other hand there have been accusations with extensive detail by Anthropic on how chinese models are attacking Anthropic to reverse engineer and copy their product. There's nuance if you care to see it, but maybe it's easier to pretend that everyone is ripping each other off so that you can consume a ripoff without seeing yourself as at fault.
- victorbjorklund 3mo ago
  point is everyone scrapes data from the internet. Do you think there is at least one page on the internet that mentions Claude as an AI? Well, then it's part of the training material.
  - TZubiri 3mo ago
    Yes, that's why Claude might think it's ChatGPT from time to time, because it scraped a url that contained chatgpt conversations. But the reason why Kimi thinks it is Claude is different, it's because chinese companies make thousands of fake accounts, fire prompts at Claude and train their models to imitate Claude.

lukewarm707 3mo ago

when open source models are banned maybe i will become a cartel kingpin smuggling open source weights into the usa. find a sufficiently shifty street corner, 'what do you need', "kimi". are you familiar with my product? pure mxfp4, $500 per TB. (joke and walter mitty, i know the government reads my messages)