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wouldn't stop AI companies from continuing to develop using their current infrastructure. the West could retaliate by halting shipments of photoresist and othe
by sterlind 2mo ago
wouldn't stop AI companies from continuing to develop using their current infrastructure.
the West could retaliate by halting shipments of photoresist and other materials to China.
meanwhile, Intel second-sources Nvidia and starts pumping out GPUs.
the economic fallout would be devastating as trade wars and export bans on both sides make Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs look like NAFTA.
- chrismsimpson 2mo agoThe rest of the world would likely side with China. The export ban on Fable wasn’t even extended to five eyes countries. US is going to find itself isolated and irrelevant. And not a moment too soon.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoI do wonder what the world will look like under a chinese hegemony though...
- greekrich92 2mo agoNo worse than under US hegemony
- thesmtsolver2 2mo agoMuch much worse: see Tibet or Hong Kong
- owebmaster 2mo agoHow is Hong Kong worse than say, Puerto Rico?
- tw1984 2mo agocare to explain why all governors of Hong Kong under the british rule were white males?
- Foobar8568 2mo agoBecause the only period HK got a wind of freedom was after the signature of the retrocession still .... SARS.
- one33seven 2mo agoVietnam, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan...
- worldthruword 2mo ago[flagged]
- TheArcane 2mo agocertainly better than this one. Look at Africa under western neocolonialism vs China's infrastructure loans
- lenerdenator 2mo agoAnd that's going just swimmingly [0] [0] https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/chinese-manager-beats-african-workers-sparks-debate-on-racism-viral-video-latest-updates-2024-05-04-929498 https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/chinese-manager-beats... (possibly NSFW, I can't see the video in my browser but be warned)
- vhantz 2mo agoThere is no good imperialist power, there is no capitalism with a human face, there will never be. The UK murdered millions in India, Ireland and all around the world in their time. The US did the same. The only reason China isn't openly doing the same right now is because they are still the underdog and they still need cordiality to get through the door, just like the UK and the US did in their time. The solution is to rid the world of imperialism and capitalism as a whole. As long as there is a profit motive running through everything, international relations will be in the form of wars (military or economic). Only under socialism can the people of the world truly pool their resources together to build up instead of destroying each other.
- CaptWorld 2mo agoThere are no good imperialists but it's a spectrum where western capitalist colonies fare much better than eastern communist colonies because capitalism and democracy is the engine for economic growth and western colonies fared much better than eastern ones. What's a better system than capitalism for imperialism? Socialism? Weren't they also pretty brutal imperialists? Japanese imperialists alone make western ones look like amateurs.
- klibertp 2mo ago> western colonies fared much better than eastern ones. Sure, Iraq and Afghanistan definitely benefited a lot from being bombed, occupied, and then handed over to even worse tyrants when the West got bored. No, sorry, but "capitalism and democracy" is not the right answer everywhere, and when they're not, pushing them by force is no better than forcing communism. In general, forcing an incompatible ideology on people historically and culturally opposed to it will end in tragedy, no matter how great that ideology may be.
- verdverm 2mo agoWe are moving from unipolar hegemony to multipolar. There will be upwards of a dozen poles in time
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoDoubt. China is clearly on a level of its own compared to virtually every other country out there other than the USA.
- verdverm 2mo agoI find it unlikely to be a duoply of hegemony for long, some countries to watch are Germany, Japan, India, Nigeria, and Brazil. You could broaden the geography to continents were I expect major players to emerge on each. We are only a few decades since the "end of history" and much has changed. What do things look like beyond 2050?
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago> Brazil Brazil is basically the world's soy farm. It's at least half a century behind the times. I still have no idea how it managed to insert itself into the BRICS economic block. The notion that it's on the same level as China, India or Russia is just comical.
- verdverm 2mo ago> Brazil is basically the world's soy farm To reduce a culture and country like this comes off as bigotry In example, Brazil has the #3 airplane producer in the world Or consider why the US is doing all it can to prevent their payment system from becoming widely used? I was intentional about putting the perspective in the future over today as the poles of the world are evolving
- owebmaster 2mo agoOP is one of many Brazilians that hates Brazil, which ironically is the reason why the country historically can't grow to its full potential
- a34729t 2mo agobetter dim sum, hopefully. the local chinese food is a crime against gastronomy.
- marcus_holmes 2mo agoChina is very inward-looking, though. It's not really interested in world domination in the same sense that Europe was or even the USA was/is.
- nativeit 2mo agoChina has been aggressively developing infrastructure and financial services all over Africa and the rest of Asia. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106866 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106866
- fnord77 2mo agoresource extraction stealth colonialism
- d5lt5 2mo agoThe alternative is western colonialism Africa experienced before, and bombing campaigns.
- CaptWorld 2mo agoWestern colonialism is better than eastern colonialism tho. Look at the Russian orgs in Africa.
- marcus_holmes 2mo agoBetter for whom? Certainly not the colonised...
- CaptWorld 2mo agoYeah for the ones who get colonized, western ones were better than eastern ones. Japanese ones would've made Britishers look like kids when they were occupying eastern India.
- chrismsimpson 2mo agoYou’re already seeing it. Strategic bilateralism.
- petre 2mo agoKeep an eye on Central Asia and Pakistan then? They are heavily infuenced by China.
- FooBarWidget 2mo agoIt's called Tang and Ming dynasty. We already know.
- verdverm 2mo ago> the West could retaliate by halting shipments of China quickly retaliated last time by stopping shipments of rare earths and magnets. The West has no answer for this, really up the river without a paddle for such critical supply chain elements.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2mo agoI was led to believe that the US does have internal sources of these, but they are largely undeveloped. For years the processing could not economically compete with China so shutdown. Which is to say, given internal subsidies, the US could eventually produce some on its own. Unless I misunderstood the situation.
- verdverm 2mo agoI believe we both share this understanding, the problems are 1. China controls ~90% today 2. The US will find it difficult to build out because of how dirty and environmentally damaging mining and processing are. I did see some research last week about a better way to process rare earths, but it is still research and will need to be industrialized. Regardless, it will take many years (decade+?) to become self sufficient and China is already willing to and increasingly restricting them
- verdverm 2mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49084690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49084690 https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-may-need-allow-chinese-minerals-us-industry-struggles-meet-2027-deadline-2026-07-27/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-may-need-allo...
- tw1984 2mo agoChina controls way more things, from medical needles to pharmaceutical ingredient. Lots of them can be made in the west or west friendly countries, but that takes time, money, infrastructure and good execution. Yes, identical to what is covered in China's belt and road initiatives. See the gap now?
- soperj 2mo agoChina would just start buying oil again, and stop using it from their strategic reserve. Hello $200 barrels of oil.