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>the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests many people believe that the US will leverage AI against US citizen's interests.

impulser_ 3mo ago
Yeah, but unlike China we have laws and ways to fight against it. China can and will do whatever the fuck they want they don't have to listen to the people of China.
- sodapopcan 3mo ago
  The US has been doing whatever the fuck it wants without listening to its people lately, though.
  - impulser_ 3mo ago
    Well good thing we have elections.
    - sodapopcan 3mo ago
      Every four years!
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    - forafistfulof 3mo ago
      You have "representative democracy". It is not the same as democracy, whatever you had been told in school. And since 2001 it is painfully clear: whichever representative you had, eventually he went to throw bombs on people, and no one asked joe if he liked that.
- sanderjd 3mo ago
  The problem is that at the current moment with the current administration, it does not seem like we do "have laws and ways to fight against it". I'm more optimistic about the likelihood of the US system of government to heal itself than that statement might seem to imply. But it's just also the case that at the current moment in the US, the rule of law is very much under threat. And as your comment suggests, that same rule of law is a very important thing to the way of life in the US. It's a very bad situation that we've allowed ourselves to slouch into.
  - impulser_ 3mo ago
    Well that what the people voted for. In a few months you can replace these people that allow this. Good luck replacing anyone in the goverment of China.
    - sanderjd 3mo ago
      This is not an argument that the Chinese system of government is better than the US system. Like I said, I'm more optimistic than a lot of people I know that the US will be able to pull out of the tailspin we've been in for the past decade. But it's also imminently reasonable to believe that this episode has raised real questions about the durability of the rule of law in this country.
      - sodapopcan 3mo ago
        > this episode has raised real questions about the durability of the rule of law in this country. Ya, I'm not American, but I have seen people say "we can vote them out" a few times now. Assuming the democrats take the next election, they are going to have a massive mess to clean up with much of the damage not even being reversible. With peoples' fickle nature and seeming that is a very big right-leaning population in the US, there's a non-zero chance the Republicans just get voted back in four years later. Whose to say?
        sanderjd 3mo ago
- vhantz 3mo ago
  The american state routinely shoots and kills its own citizens in broad daylight with 0 repercussions. Thinking it answers to its citizens is severely deluded.
  - krapp 3mo ago
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- svachalek 3mo ago
  Largely hypothetical, not very effective ways to fight against it. Meanwhile we have the entire Pacific Ocean and US Military between us and China.
slfnflctd 3mo ago
Indeed. It already has. In particular I remember several extremely offensive slop pictures and videos being posted by someone in the White House. And I'm certain that's just the tip of the shitberg.
Helloworldboy 3mo ago
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impulser_ 3mo ago

Yeah, but unlike China we have laws and ways to fight against it. China can and will do whatever the fuck they want they don't have to listen to the people of China.

sodapopcan 3mo ago
The US has been doing whatever the fuck it wants without listening to its people lately, though.
- impulser_ 3mo ago
  Well good thing we have elections.
  - sodapopcan 3mo ago
    Every four years!
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      [deleted]
  - forafistfulof 3mo ago
    You have "representative democracy". It is not the same as democracy, whatever you had been told in school. And since 2001 it is painfully clear: whichever representative you had, eventually he went to throw bombs on people, and no one asked joe if he liked that.
sanderjd 3mo ago
The problem is that at the current moment with the current administration, it does not seem like we do "have laws and ways to fight against it". I'm more optimistic about the likelihood of the US system of government to heal itself than that statement might seem to imply. But it's just also the case that at the current moment in the US, the rule of law is very much under threat. And as your comment suggests, that same rule of law is a very important thing to the way of life in the US. It's a very bad situation that we've allowed ourselves to slouch into.
- impulser_ 3mo ago
  Well that what the people voted for. In a few months you can replace these people that allow this. Good luck replacing anyone in the goverment of China.
  - sanderjd 3mo ago
    This is not an argument that the Chinese system of government is better than the US system. Like I said, I'm more optimistic than a lot of people I know that the US will be able to pull out of the tailspin we've been in for the past decade. But it's also imminently reasonable to believe that this episode has raised real questions about the durability of the rule of law in this country.
    - sodapopcan 3mo ago
      > this episode has raised real questions about the durability of the rule of law in this country. Ya, I'm not American, but I have seen people say "we can vote them out" a few times now. Assuming the democrats take the next election, they are going to have a massive mess to clean up with much of the damage not even being reversible. With peoples' fickle nature and seeming that is a very big right-leaning population in the US, there's a non-zero chance the Republicans just get voted back in four years later. Whose to say?
      - sanderjd 3mo ago
vhantz 3mo ago
The american state routinely shoots and kills its own citizens in broad daylight with 0 repercussions. Thinking it answers to its citizens is severely deluded.
- krapp 3mo ago
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svachalek 3mo ago
Largely hypothetical, not very effective ways to fight against it. Meanwhile we have the entire Pacific Ocean and US Military between us and China.

slfnflctd 3mo ago

Indeed. It already has. In particular I remember several extremely offensive slop pictures and videos being posted by someone in the White House. And I'm certain that's just the tip of the shitberg.

Helloworldboy 3mo ago

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