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My anegdotal experience in EU is that ghosting AFTER the company responds to your application is very, very rare. I would always get the usual "Unfortunately,

My anegdotal experience in EU is that ghosting AFTER the company responds to your application is very, very rare. I would always get the usual "Unfortunately, we have decided..." charades. At least no ghosting. I can think of only one situation, and it was kinda peculiar in its own right (they called me 8 months after my application because they were in a jam and I said I won't be able to start in such a short notice they wanted, and they warned me in advance they would ghost me because the HR was I presume in a crunch). As for the ghostings BEFORE they even respond to the job application, I'd say that it is around 40% of job applications that I never get a response after "We have received your job application yada yada yada". Again, this is just my anegdotal experience. Maybe my experience in EU job market is a rarity.

throw-the-towel 2mo ago
My experience in France was that almost everyone ghosts you, including after three rounds of interviews.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  It's probably because they don't want to be liable for giving a reason.
  - danek_szy 2mo ago
    Well, then they might just respond: Thank you, but no thank you… No liability, but at least they wouldn’t leave the person hanging…
  - OptionOfT 2mo ago
    Which should be illegal. You should be able to formulate why you prefer someone. And it would prevent companies from ghosting people.
    - matchbok3 2mo ago
      Making this "illegal" does not solve the problem at all. People really need to stop providing this knee jerk outlawing reaction to things they don't like. I assume you'd also make it illegal for a person to turn down a company without a reason, right? How about we make that 6 months in prison.
      - Dylan16807 2mo ago
        > Making this "illegal" does not solve the problem at all. Sure it does. You send an email politely reminding them they need to write out a basic reason, and then you get the reason. If they're crazy stubborn and absolutely refuse, small claims court is probably next. I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of making this a law, but a law could solve the problem. > I assume you'd also make it illegal for a person to turn down a company without a reason, right? There's a huge power imbalance here, but okay sure why not? Not many people are turning down job offers after interviewing, but if they do they can spend two minutes writing why. > How about we make that 6 months in prison. This strawman is a good way to indicate you didn't spend a single second thinking through the actual implications.
        johnnyanmac 2mo ago
        > I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of making this a law, but a law could solve the problem. We need more labor laws in general, but this one should be more of a good ol' fashioned social shaming situation. make it painful to try and outright ignore people you started talking to.
        matchbok3 2mo ago
        I spent a lot of time thinking about this, actually. If this silly idea became law, companies would find some lawyer-approved boilerplate that would satisfy the silly law and accomplish nothing. Nothing would change. I guess you would say the candidate could sue because the company didn't provide warm fuzzy custom-tailored apologies about why they didn't fall in love? Or a specific "reason"? Is a judge going to adjudicate that "reason"? It's not a strawman. It's either jail time or a fine, right? Have you thought about the implications?
prodmod 2mo ago
Really no offense, but in all truth, I would probably skip an application with simple misspellings. Anecdotal is what you're looking for.
- orphereus 2mo ago
  This comment really has no purpose other than being petulent.
  - prodmod 2mo ago
    We're talking about being ghosted or rejected for applications and interviews. It actually seems very relevant. Details matter. Don't give anyone a reason to reject you, because there are hundreds (or thousands) of applications who are also qualified and ran spellcheck. I'm really not trying to be a jerk.
  - namtab00 2mo ago
    petulAnt

throw-the-towel 2mo ago

My experience in France was that almost everyone ghosts you, including after three rounds of interviews.

inigyou 2mo ago
It's probably because they don't want to be liable for giving a reason.
- danek_szy 2mo ago
  Well, then they might just respond: Thank you, but no thank you… No liability, but at least they wouldn’t leave the person hanging…
- OptionOfT 2mo ago
  Which should be illegal. You should be able to formulate why you prefer someone. And it would prevent companies from ghosting people.
  - matchbok3 2mo ago
    Making this "illegal" does not solve the problem at all. People really need to stop providing this knee jerk outlawing reaction to things they don't like. I assume you'd also make it illegal for a person to turn down a company without a reason, right? How about we make that 6 months in prison.
    - Dylan16807 2mo ago
      > Making this "illegal" does not solve the problem at all. Sure it does. You send an email politely reminding them they need to write out a basic reason, and then you get the reason. If they're crazy stubborn and absolutely refuse, small claims court is probably next. I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of making this a law, but a law could solve the problem. > I assume you'd also make it illegal for a person to turn down a company without a reason, right? There's a huge power imbalance here, but okay sure why not? Not many people are turning down job offers after interviewing, but if they do they can spend two minutes writing why. > How about we make that 6 months in prison. This strawman is a good way to indicate you didn't spend a single second thinking through the actual implications.
      - johnnyanmac 2mo ago
        > I'm pretty skeptical about the idea of making this a law, but a law could solve the problem. We need more labor laws in general, but this one should be more of a good ol' fashioned social shaming situation. make it painful to try and outright ignore people you started talking to.
      - matchbok3 2mo ago
        I spent a lot of time thinking about this, actually. If this silly idea became law, companies would find some lawyer-approved boilerplate that would satisfy the silly law and accomplish nothing. Nothing would change. I guess you would say the candidate could sue because the company didn't provide warm fuzzy custom-tailored apologies about why they didn't fall in love? Or a specific "reason"? Is a judge going to adjudicate that "reason"? It's not a strawman. It's either jail time or a fine, right? Have you thought about the implications?

prodmod 2mo ago

Really no offense, but in all truth, I would probably skip an application with simple misspellings. Anecdotal is what you're looking for.

orphereus 2mo ago
This comment really has no purpose other than being petulent.
- prodmod 2mo ago
  We're talking about being ghosted or rejected for applications and interviews. It actually seems very relevant. Details matter. Don't give anyone a reason to reject you, because there are hundreds (or thousands) of applications who are also qualified and ran spellcheck. I'm really not trying to be a jerk.
- namtab00 2mo ago
  petulAnt