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https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $

https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

cogman10 2mo ago
> I have no idea why HN still treats them like their the ethical good guy. I don't know that HN usually does. But they did buy a decent amount of publicity by (initially) telling the US government no in using the models for war.
- adastra22 2mo ago
  They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.
  - cschep 2mo ago
    They did something Sam wouldn't do at the very least.
  - daymanstep 2mo ago
    Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.
    - deleted 2mo ago
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    - adastra22 2mo ago
      What does that have to do with LLMs hosted by Anthropic. They didn't say the Dept of War couldn't make kill bots. They said no using Claude to make kill decisions. A quadcopter drone running on a Raspberry Pi isn't running an Anthropic model locally.
    - hahajk 2mo ago
      anthropic's models would also be useless in a jammed environment though
      - hkt 2mo ago
        and the only way to use them would be to blow up A100s
    - storus 2mo ago
      No, they are using long optical cables attached to drones. The battlefield looks like a giant spider web afterwards.
      - encrypted_bird 2mo ago
        I genuinely can't tell if you're joking, though I'd like to believe you are...
        x3n0ph3n3 2mo ago
        https://www.msn.com/en-xl/technology/general/fiber-optic-drones-weave-spiderweb-battlefields-in-ukraine/ar-AA1T4s5Q https://www.msn.com/en-xl/technology/general/fiber-optic-dro...
        ls612 2mo ago
        Fiber optic drones are real but the fully autonomous drones others are describing are also real (but less publicized due to the bad PR around killbots)
      - subarctic 2mo ago
        Are they still doing that? I saw that months ago
      - Stevvo 2mo ago
        Fiber optic drones were last year's weapon of choice, this year it is drones with autonomous terminal phase. This happened because the AI data center build-out increased demand for fiber optics, driving up the price to less affordable levels. Autonomous terminal phase is also more effective; ~80% mission success compared to ~30% for fiber optic drone.
    - hkt 2mo ago
      Not true, fibre controlled drones are actually pretty important out there right now: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/fiber-optics-drones-have-emerged-as-critical-kit-for-both-russia-and-ukraine/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/fiber-opt...
      - daymanstep 2mo ago
        Not viable for long range strikes.
    - deleted 2mo ago
      [deleted]
  - paradoxyl 2mo ago
    yes, what paragrons of virtue who lie about all their financials.
    - froggit 2mo ago
      Is it still lying if they just lost track of where all the debt is hidden and stopped caring about those little things? They're seriously like 2 months out from achieving AGI and making more money than god.
- kelvinjps10 2mo ago
  Anthropic gained momentum in terms of public opinion, when they launched the no ads campaign and then after not supporting the use of AI without supervision in the military. And now it seems it has been lost after incidents like (people getting incorrect bills) their handling of fable etc
- anon373839 2mo ago
  Personally, I never bought the good-guys act. But judging from the HN pulse, it seems to me that the decisive moment when Anthropic lost its halo is when it decided to start silently sabotaging users working on LLM research that might compete with Anthropic. It was so blatantly monopolistic and abusive that it seemed to be mask-off moment for many.
chrysoprace 2mo ago
There are plenty of people (myself included) who are critical of Anthropic. Sentiment isn't universal amongst a crowd, it might just feel that way due to the way comments are surfaced on HN once posts reach the front page.
nerdyadventurer 2mo ago
These AI CEOs are psychopaths, they will do anything to get big bucks from defense contracts. There is recent interview with Dario where he said Iran school bombings do not even violate their redlines[1]. Full interview [2] shows that he think like Trump (we are the superior nation) 1. Breaking Points Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI 2. Full Bloomberg interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VHFgyawPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VHFgyawPE
- applicative 2mo ago
  Don't worry, kimi k3 will be open in a few days and anyone can bomb all the schools they want.
random3 2mo ago
And what else, forbid running workloads outside of US so you can’t offshore workloads? What’s the rationale behind policies that can be detrimental only to US companies?
- gr_norm 2mo ago
  To maximize personal influence and wealth, of course. These days, many with power don't seem to care much about uplifting society so long as they get theirs. Hopefully Anthropic eats crow here, lest their wish is fulfilled that we all become slaves to the anointed few who work there. Never getting another dollar from me after pulling these stunts.
dataflow 2mo ago
> I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. s/good/least bad/ Which company would you put higher?
npn 2mo ago
They spend $40mil for lobbying, I'm sure they can also spare some millions to this place (and other places like reddit). They all do.
- paradoxyl 2mo ago
  Let's cynically encourage the abuse of the democratic process.
antonvs 2mo ago
*squishy

cogman10 2mo ago

> I have no idea why HN still treats them like their the ethical good guy. I don't know that HN usually does. But they did buy a decent amount of publicity by (initially) telling the US government no in using the models for war.

adastra22 2mo ago
They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.
- cschep 2mo ago
  They did something Sam wouldn't do at the very least.
- daymanstep 2mo ago
  Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
  - adastra22 2mo ago
    What does that have to do with LLMs hosted by Anthropic. They didn't say the Dept of War couldn't make kill bots. They said no using Claude to make kill decisions. A quadcopter drone running on a Raspberry Pi isn't running an Anthropic model locally.
  - hahajk 2mo ago
    anthropic's models would also be useless in a jammed environment though
    - hkt 2mo ago
      and the only way to use them would be to blow up A100s
  - storus 2mo ago
    No, they are using long optical cables attached to drones. The battlefield looks like a giant spider web afterwards.
    - encrypted_bird 2mo ago
      I genuinely can't tell if you're joking, though I'd like to believe you are...
      - x3n0ph3n3 2mo ago
        https://www.msn.com/en-xl/technology/general/fiber-optic-drones-weave-spiderweb-battlefields-in-ukraine/ar-AA1T4s5Q https://www.msn.com/en-xl/technology/general/fiber-optic-dro...
      - ls612 2mo ago
        Fiber optic drones are real but the fully autonomous drones others are describing are also real (but less publicized due to the bad PR around killbots)
    - subarctic 2mo ago
      Are they still doing that? I saw that months ago
    - Stevvo 2mo ago
      Fiber optic drones were last year's weapon of choice, this year it is drones with autonomous terminal phase. This happened because the AI data center build-out increased demand for fiber optics, driving up the price to less affordable levels. Autonomous terminal phase is also more effective; ~80% mission success compared to ~30% for fiber optic drone.
  - hkt 2mo ago
    Not true, fibre controlled drones are actually pretty important out there right now: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/fiber-optics-drones-have-emerged-as-critical-kit-for-both-russia-and-ukraine/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/fiber-opt...
    - daymanstep 2mo ago
      Not viable for long range strikes.
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
- paradoxyl 2mo ago
  yes, what paragrons of virtue who lie about all their financials.
  - froggit 2mo ago
    Is it still lying if they just lost track of where all the debt is hidden and stopped caring about those little things? They're seriously like 2 months out from achieving AGI and making more money than god.
kelvinjps10 2mo ago
Anthropic gained momentum in terms of public opinion, when they launched the no ads campaign and then after not supporting the use of AI without supervision in the military. And now it seems it has been lost after incidents like (people getting incorrect bills) their handling of fable etc
anon373839 2mo ago
Personally, I never bought the good-guys act. But judging from the HN pulse, it seems to me that the decisive moment when Anthropic lost its halo is when it decided to start silently sabotaging users working on LLM research that might compete with Anthropic. It was so blatantly monopolistic and abusive that it seemed to be mask-off moment for many.

chrysoprace 2mo ago

There are plenty of people (myself included) who are critical of Anthropic. Sentiment isn't universal amongst a crowd, it might just feel that way due to the way comments are surfaced on HN once posts reach the front page.

nerdyadventurer 2mo ago

These AI CEOs are psychopaths, they will do anything to get big bucks from defense contracts. There is recent interview with Dario where he said Iran school bombings do not even violate their redlines[1]. Full interview [2] shows that he think like Trump (we are the superior nation) 1. Breaking Points Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUrshGwgDI 2. Full Bloomberg interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VHFgyawPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VHFgyawPE

applicative 2mo ago
Don't worry, kimi k3 will be open in a few days and anyone can bomb all the schools they want.

random3 2mo ago

And what else, forbid running workloads outside of US so you can’t offshore workloads? What’s the rationale behind policies that can be detrimental only to US companies?

gr_norm 2mo ago
To maximize personal influence and wealth, of course. These days, many with power don't seem to care much about uplifting society so long as they get theirs. Hopefully Anthropic eats crow here, lest their wish is fulfilled that we all become slaves to the anointed few who work there. Never getting another dollar from me after pulling these stunts.

dataflow 2mo ago

> I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. s/good/least bad/ Which company would you put higher?

npn 2mo ago

They spend $40mil for lobbying, I'm sure they can also spare some millions to this place (and other places like reddit). They all do.

paradoxyl 2mo ago
Let's cynically encourage the abuse of the democratic process.

antonvs 2mo ago

*squishy