3 ms·
Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 19
by throwayay4929 2mo ago
Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF?
We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6.
"The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.
- deleted 2mo ago[deleted]
- ngcazz 2mo ago"nice things" you mean upholding the harm of the status quo by not criticizing it
- mrngld 2mo agoBut do people look at installing a formulae in brew and wonder "what's their position on Uyghur oppression in Western China?" Like, wow, jxl is pretty neat, but they don't have a position on Palestine so I don't know if I should leverage the JPEG XL format? Insanity. IMO. Keep that stuff at home.
- jraph 2mo agoWell if I had to install something and knew their authors were in favor of genocides, I would look elsewhere. > they don't have a position on Palestine so I don't know if I should leverage the JPEG XL format? This is a strawman. You go from "they are in favor of something horrible, should I use them?" to "they haven't expressed a position on stuff, should I use them?".
- throwayay4929 2mo agoSo youre proposing that everyone should always be criticizing every unjust thing in the world or else they're upholding the status quo? By that silly logic I guess codeberg is supporting the uyghur genocide because they don't mention it.
- jraph 2mo agoUntil proven otherwise, Codeberg's operations have nothing to do with the uyghur genocide though.
- throwayay4929 2mo agoThere's nothing to prove when you posit your responsibility is limitless. Codeberg is in Germany yet I don't see them taking a stance in the Russian war in Ukraine, which they helped finance by building their economy on cheap Russian oil and gas. I guess by ops logic that means codeberg is in favor of Russian aggression.
- inigyou 2mo agoCould be. Why not ask them and find out? Or upload a project to help the Russian war and see if they take it down?
- jraph 2mo agoAgain, Codeberg is not involved in anything related to Russian war in Ukraine, and is not responsible for Germany building their economy on cheap Russian oil and gas, so they could not possibly be assumed to be in favor of Russian agression unless they made a statement towards this. Yet, > I don't see them taking a stance in the Russian war in Ukraine that's because you didn't bother to check, you just assumed they didn't. https://blog.codeberg.org/one-year-into-the-war-your-help-is-still-needed.html https://blog.codeberg.org/one-year-into-the-war-your-help-is... > I guess by ops logic I don't think so. Them being involved or not in the thing makes all the difference.
- ngcazz 2mo agoNo, I mean that voicing opinions in specialist spaces is rarely seen as bothersome when they uphold the status quo, but the minute they don't they're "making it political" Edit: casual sinophobia BTW
- kkkdkxbxb 2mo agoRather using self-hosted Gitea, software developed by a for-profit Chinese company, is actually supporting the uyghur genocide. Shame on you.
- squigz 2mo agoUsing RMS as an example of "how to not be political" is uh... interesting.
- veeti 2mo agoWhen even RMS seems like a more level headed political actor, you know you've gone off the deep end.
- tbrownaw 2mo ago> Using RMS as an example of "how to not be political" is uh... interesting. He's known for staying focused on one single issue, which is important for personal reasons unrelated to group affiliations.
- pessimizer 2mo agoRMS headed a political organization, and kept his political campaigning to things directly related to the politics that his organization represented. The people who were angry at RMS's "politics" were always actually mad at the concept of Free Software in general, and the fact that RMS thinks that software that is not Free is bad software (and does not think you are an exception.) He wasn't banging on about trans rights or Muslamic invasions, but people being enslaved by machines run by the powerful. Doesn't mean that he didn't have opinions, he just knew why people cared what he thought. When he ventured a bad (but common) opinion about sleeping with teenagers, it opened a hole that his enemies drove a truck through. It's also notable that he did this to defend his friend Minsky; people often compromise their professionalism over personal relationships and interests.
- y0ssar1an 2mo ago> We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. the reason we have linux is because a bunch of geeks took a stand. i understand that you can't fight every battle, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't fight any battles. you're making a rationalization because taking a stand is usually inconvenient, and you don't want to be inconvenienced by anything.
- throwayay4929 2mo agoSupposing you know someone's motivation as if you have access to their psyche is a very unproductive way to participate in a discussion. The reason we have a Linux is because a bunch of geeks took a stand on an issue they cared about and _focused on_. We wouldn't have Linux if the project also took on matters like teenage pregnancy, surveillance, and gerrymandering.
- lostmsu 2mo agoThat's a very good point. What if codeberg decides tomorrow that they got weary of all worldly affairs, and from then on will only host dev tools?
- veeti 2mo agoYet those same Linux geeks have now decided not to take a "stand" against AI, but rather embrace it. Twenty years ago when the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars raged on, did they oppose working with the military contractors at Red Hat or the NSA? No, they focused on the mission.
- natbennett 2mo agoFirefox is an interesting choice as a company that wasn’t affected by identity politics given how Brendan Eich left the company
- missinglugnut 2mo agoEarly Firefox was the example. Looking at Firefox's market share decline since Eich got replaced reinforces the point though.