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Yep. We'll steal China's IP as well so all of this really is just no big deal. Everyone is a robber in some way. Though one must ask, why are American models b
by ericmay 3mo ago
Yep. We'll steal China's IP as well so all of this really is just no big deal. Everyone is a robber in some way.
Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm.
> It's not that China won't come up with what the US are coming up with. Just a matter of when it would happen.
I agree. All this discussion about China releasing open weight models is amusing. It's like ok they release open weight models.... and so what? If they leapfrog ahead of the US then we'll just undercut them with our own open weight models.
- jpalawaga 3mo agogenuine question, what IP does america presently steal from China?
- ericmay 3mo agoIf it’s a question for me I’m not sure. I guess I’d like to ask what prompted this question?
- jpalawaga 3mo agoI read 'we' (present tense) rather than 'we'll' (future tense). So, nevermind!
- inigyou 3mo agoAI models. If you ask Claude Opus in Chinese which model it is, sometimes it says Qwen.
- etdznots 3mo agoAll models are trained on outputs from all other frontier models at training time.
- LtWorf 3mo agoSo you mean that they have no problem distilling but are crybabies and also accuse the chinese of doing it?
- fennecbutt 3mo agoThat's just conjecture though surely. Like not saying you're wrong but the same thing would result from crawling and using results from Chinese Web for training along with everything else. If the most prevalent model people are posting responses from online in Chinese is qwen then of course that would happen. There's no evidence to say either way really.
- inigyou 3mo agoIt's the exact same reason people conjecture that Qwen distills Claude.
- yunnpp 3mo ago> Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm. Because the models are behind a gate and the data goes overseas. The same is not true for open weight models. One should avoid the former and prefer the latter simply based on principle, not on country of origin.
- inigyou 3mo agoIf you ask in Chinese, Claude Opus tells you it's Qwen.
- echaozh 3mo ago> Though one must ask, why are American models banned in China? Hmmm. Because they're not? But the American government and Anthropic don't want American models to be used by the Chinese. Anthropic is notorious for its effort to tell if the user is within China.