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Its even dumber when you consider AI model output was not considered copyrighted or eligible for copyright to begin with, as far as I know. How exactly would th
by jchw 3mo ago
Its even dumber when you consider AI model output was not considered copyrighted or eligible for copyright to begin with, as far as I know. How exactly would this even be "theft"?
- trescenzi 3mo agoPlus on top of that it's been ruled that training on copyrighted material is allowed because it's transformative. As a result even if the model output is copyrighted training on it would be as allowed as training on books.
- mahkeiro 3mo agoIf this was ruled ok why are they paying billions to book publishers?
- jchw 3mo agoBecause they pirated said books instead of buying them legally.
- trescenzi 3mo agoYea to be more explicit than the other reply they are being fined for the theft of the books not training on them. They trained on tons of legally procured books by destructively scanning and OCRing them. It was discovered in legal filings and is called Project Panama if you want to read more about it.
- sroussey 3mo agoIt’s not they, but it does break TOS.
- crote 3mo agoAs if scraping the entire internet doesn't break thousands of TOSes?
- sroussey 3mo agoYes, indeed! I have a site where 99% of the traffic is Claude. I could ban them but I don’t bother.
- SXX 3mo agoBetter to feed them poisoned results...
- Twirrim 3mo agoI poison their requests with crap, particularly because they were the worst offenders for sheer request rate. The site has maybe a hundred pages, and I'd see them hit at a sustained 20 rps for weeks on end, same content being pulled over and over and over again. Easily handled by my small server as it's static content, but the sheer arrogance (inadvertent or otherwise) pissed me off. I'm not sure if they caught on, or just finally started behaving better, but after months of being served crap in my never ending labyrinth of auto-generated junk, they have stopped.
- sroussey 3mo agoMy stuff is on Vercel, so it’s more of an issue as it uses up my limits. I’m moving to Cloudflare and I want to see how changes I make affect their bot, if at all.
- addedGone 3mo agoScrapping internet realistically does involve Botnets of all kind, the scrapping itself might be legal, but it's certain a ton of infected computers are routing traffic and being used as Proxy.
- TacticalCoder 3mo agoIt's still the pot calling the kettle black.
- glaslong 3mo agoI can't imagine Moonshot have found a way to completely bypass the subscription or api billing either. So those model outputs have been paid for! No theft of any kind! At most they'd be getting more out of distributed use of subsidized plans and API than the ToS would prefer.
- cyanydeez 3mo agosteal from the rich -> theft steal from the poor -> capitalism
- jchw 3mo agopay the rich for their services then lawfully use what you paid for to compete with the rich -> national security issue?
- rubyfan 3mo agoIt’s theft because a lot of rich people have money on the line.