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I moved my projects to Codeberg 3 years ago because it promoted itself as a host for FOSS, and I was starting to think that GitHub was not going to remain a dep

by kps 3mo ago

I moved my projects to Codeberg 3 years ago because it promoted itself as a host for FOSS, and I was starting to think that GitHub was not going to remain a dependable FOSS host. All of mine are one-man itch-scratching that I am willing to share with others. None so far contain any LLM-assisted work. A couple weeks ago I froze them, when https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48842611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48842611 came up. Not because of the LLM policy as such, but because this thread https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912 https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912 convinced me that Codeberg can not be a dependable FOSS host. It's controlled by non-developers who don't have software development anywhere near the top of their priorities.

ElFitz 3mo ago
That thread is fascinating, to say the least.
- SpecialistK 2mo ago
  It really highlights why I have avoided Mastodon entirely.
  - senderista 2mo ago
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    - imtringued 2mo ago
      That means the vast majority of people are born as fascists and only the mastodonians are the ones going against the fascist nature of this world. Not sure how that is supposed to help the anti-fascist cause.
      - senderista 2mo ago
        Should have added a sarcasm tag.
        SpecialistK 2mo ago
        You almost had me there for a second, but I picked up on it before the downvoters did. I think it's an unfortunate reality whenever you have a network which is popularized by a boycott of other services' actions or values. Those who care the most or are the most affected by the actions are the most likely to leave and be very vocal in the new space, so the new space becomes "theirs." Meanwhile, the original space(s) still keep a lot of the old users who are supportive, ignorant, or ambivalent, so both places become a little more echoed and extreme. When Reddit ditched 3rd party clients and generally enshittified, I didn't jump ship to Lemmy. I reinstalled an RSS reader and made HN one of the feeds.
        senderista 2mo ago
        Mastodon loves to tout its technical decentralization but it's one of the most politically and culturally monolithic (and intolerant) spaces I've ever seen.
- hedora 2mo ago
  This quote really sticks out (it's arguing against sticking with free software's core principles): > bwahahahahahaha are u gonna preach “no politics” now too. free software is inherently dogmatic, screw playing centrist
VariousPrograms 3mo ago
Same, the vibe I got from Codeberg was "Kumbaya everyone, come build free software here away from The Man spying on you". According to many HN commenters today it was always meant for serious projects and they don't want to waste money hosting your hobby side projects. They should consider removing the word "hobbyists" from their homepage to avoid confusion if that's the case. When I think of hobbyist programmers, it could be someone making the trillionth todo app or vim extension, not maintaining curl.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  My current understanding is it's fine if you are trying to build something serious but it isn't there yet. They don't want to host your internal tools, one-off scripts or dotfiles that aren't useful to anyone but you.
matheusmoreira 2mo ago
Thanks for linking that thread, it told me everything I needed to know.
BoingBoomTschak 2mo ago
Are these the people "controlling" it or just an adjacent channel (which excepted a few pinko CCC type people like the OP seems reasonable)? Anyway, if the earlier https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-hatred.html https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-ha... didn't inform you concerning the kind of people running the show, I don't know what to tell you...

by kps 3mo ago

ElFitz 3mo ago

That thread is fascinating, to say the least.

SpecialistK 2mo ago
It really highlights why I have avoided Mastodon entirely.
- senderista 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - imtringued 2mo ago
    That means the vast majority of people are born as fascists and only the mastodonians are the ones going against the fascist nature of this world. Not sure how that is supposed to help the anti-fascist cause.
    - senderista 2mo ago
      Should have added a sarcasm tag.
      - SpecialistK 2mo ago
        You almost had me there for a second, but I picked up on it before the downvoters did. I think it's an unfortunate reality whenever you have a network which is popularized by a boycott of other services' actions or values. Those who care the most or are the most affected by the actions are the most likely to leave and be very vocal in the new space, so the new space becomes "theirs." Meanwhile, the original space(s) still keep a lot of the old users who are supportive, ignorant, or ambivalent, so both places become a little more echoed and extreme. When Reddit ditched 3rd party clients and generally enshittified, I didn't jump ship to Lemmy. I reinstalled an RSS reader and made HN one of the feeds.
        senderista 2mo ago
        Mastodon loves to tout its technical decentralization but it's one of the most politically and culturally monolithic (and intolerant) spaces I've ever seen.
hedora 2mo ago
This quote really sticks out (it's arguing against sticking with free software's core principles): > bwahahahahahaha are u gonna preach “no politics” now too. free software is inherently dogmatic, screw playing centrist

VariousPrograms 3mo ago

Same, the vibe I got from Codeberg was "Kumbaya everyone, come build free software here away from The Man spying on you". According to many HN commenters today it was always meant for serious projects and they don't want to waste money hosting your hobby side projects. They should consider removing the word "hobbyists" from their homepage to avoid confusion if that's the case. When I think of hobbyist programmers, it could be someone making the trillionth todo app or vim extension, not maintaining curl.

inigyou 2mo ago
My current understanding is it's fine if you are trying to build something serious but it isn't there yet. They don't want to host your internal tools, one-off scripts or dotfiles that aren't useful to anyone but you.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago

Thanks for linking that thread, it told me everything I needed to know.

BoingBoomTschak 2mo ago

Are these the people "controlling" it or just an adjacent channel (which excepted a few pinko CCC type people like the OP seems reasonable)? Anyway, if the earlier https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-hatred.html https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-ha... didn't inform you concerning the kind of people running the show, I don't know what to tell you...