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It’s a shame Windows is still so far ahead for game compatibility. Feels a shame to pair such a nice CPU with such a bloated OS.

vkazanov 2mo ago
"Far ahead"? DRM'ed spyware, yes. Everything else? Not so much, thanks to the monumental effort of Wine and Proton projects.
- voidfunc 2mo ago
  If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Cant sidestep that a vast majority of people want to play those games.
  - vkazanov 2mo ago
    "Kernel anti-cheat" and "spyware" is exactly what i mean. Thry do have millions of players. But that's like 20-30 games out of 1000s that run just fine.
    - Scroll_Swe 2mo ago
      But that is what people play... The quantity does not matter, the quality does.
      - simlevesque 2mo ago
        > But that is what people play Lots of people don't play them. It's not like we don't have a choice.
      - MrVitaliy 2mo ago
        What people? Very few top games on Steam require kernel-level anti-cheat -- https://steamdb.info/charts/ https://steamdb.info/charts/
        Scroll_Swe 2mo ago
        Valorant CoD Unsure of Blizzard games
  - Altern4tiveAcc 2mo ago
    > If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Kernel-level spyware, and Wine/Proton are the non-starters? I don't think you and the person you replied to will reach an agreement.
  - vablings 2mo ago
    Let's rephrase that statement. My game probably works fine on linux and if it doesn't there is an active community read to support it BUT the person, I purchased this game from said no.
  - kllrnohj 2mo ago
    It's primarily only the AAA multiplayer games that have that, not just AAA games in general. Just browse the Deck Verified page for example: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified & https://store.steampowered.com/greatondeck/ https://store.steampowered.com/greatondeck/ Forza Horizon 6 and Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resync'd are both listed, and both are very recent, major AAA game launches. With top-tier Linux compatibility. It is staggering how different the situation is now as compared to just a couple years ago. Steam Deck (and associated investments by Valve) are damn near a revolution. It's a perfect storm of the incumbent turning to shit at the same time the underdog really got its act together. If you or your friend group is really into a game that doesn't have Linux support yeah that's a bummer, especially when it's just because of the kernel level anticheat that's horrifying in its own right (triply so when it's for a PVE game, cough cough, helldivers 2, cough cough). But I don't think that's most people anymore. The more casual and indie game scene these days is huge, and of course single player games in general continue to be super popular.
winrid 2mo ago
Win10 iot ent runs on even 3rd gen i3s very well...
- rbanffy 2mo ago
  Not sure whether games will run well on it.
DiabloD3 2mo ago
A lot of games no longer run properly in Windows, and the only way to keep playing them is with Wine/Proton. Windows performance is also often worse than Wine/Proton's.
- AuthAuth 2mo ago
  As a linux gamer and enjoyer of windows v linux benchmarks you cant say windows is often worse thats just a straight out lie. Rarely is proton "better" than windows. Proton is usually about 10% less avg fps than windows. Its is closer in 1% lows and wins more often there.
  - DiabloD3 2mo ago
    What GPU? Its usually Nvidia owners that complain about lackluster Wine/Proton performance.
    - AuthAuth 2mo ago
      AMD, Nvida and intel I watch benchmarks for all GPUs. AMDs are the closest to their windows counterpart but its still around 10% roughly speaking. Keep in mind this is without ray tracing. If thats enabled linux is like 30% worse. Nvidia is getting better I think they merged something recently that will help their vulkan pref match windows.

vkazanov 2mo ago

"Far ahead"? DRM'ed spyware, yes. Everything else? Not so much, thanks to the monumental effort of Wine and Proton projects.

voidfunc 2mo ago
If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Cant sidestep that a vast majority of people want to play those games.
- vkazanov 2mo ago
  "Kernel anti-cheat" and "spyware" is exactly what i mean. Thry do have millions of players. But that's like 20-30 games out of 1000s that run just fine.
  - Scroll_Swe 2mo ago
    But that is what people play... The quantity does not matter, the quality does.
    - simlevesque 2mo ago
      > But that is what people play Lots of people don't play them. It's not like we don't have a choice.
    - MrVitaliy 2mo ago
      What people? Very few top games on Steam require kernel-level anti-cheat -- https://steamdb.info/charts/ https://steamdb.info/charts/
      - Scroll_Swe 2mo ago
        Valorant CoD Unsure of Blizzard games
- Altern4tiveAcc 2mo ago
  > If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Kernel-level spyware, and Wine/Proton are the non-starters? I don't think you and the person you replied to will reach an agreement.
- vablings 2mo ago
  Let's rephrase that statement. My game probably works fine on linux and if it doesn't there is an active community read to support it BUT the person, I purchased this game from said no.
- kllrnohj 2mo ago
  It's primarily only the AAA multiplayer games that have that, not just AAA games in general. Just browse the Deck Verified page for example: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified & https://store.steampowered.com/greatondeck/ https://store.steampowered.com/greatondeck/ Forza Horizon 6 and Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resync'd are both listed, and both are very recent, major AAA game launches. With top-tier Linux compatibility. It is staggering how different the situation is now as compared to just a couple years ago. Steam Deck (and associated investments by Valve) are damn near a revolution. It's a perfect storm of the incumbent turning to shit at the same time the underdog really got its act together. If you or your friend group is really into a game that doesn't have Linux support yeah that's a bummer, especially when it's just because of the kernel level anticheat that's horrifying in its own right (triply so when it's for a PVE game, cough cough, helldivers 2, cough cough). But I don't think that's most people anymore. The more casual and indie game scene these days is huge, and of course single player games in general continue to be super popular.

winrid 2mo ago

Win10 iot ent runs on even 3rd gen i3s very well...

rbanffy 2mo ago
Not sure whether games will run well on it.

DiabloD3 2mo ago

A lot of games no longer run properly in Windows, and the only way to keep playing them is with Wine/Proton. Windows performance is also often worse than Wine/Proton's.

AuthAuth 2mo ago
As a linux gamer and enjoyer of windows v linux benchmarks you cant say windows is often worse thats just a straight out lie. Rarely is proton "better" than windows. Proton is usually about 10% less avg fps than windows. Its is closer in 1% lows and wins more often there.
- DiabloD3 2mo ago
  What GPU? Its usually Nvidia owners that complain about lackluster Wine/Proton performance.
  - AuthAuth 2mo ago
    AMD, Nvida and intel I watch benchmarks for all GPUs. AMDs are the closest to their windows counterpart but its still around 10% roughly speaking. Keep in mind this is without ray tracing. If thats enabled linux is like 30% worse. Nvidia is getting better I think they merged something recently that will help their vulkan pref match windows.