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OpenAI says its AI went rogue and launched 'unprecedented' cyber-attack
- Oras 3mo agoSame pattern as Fable's story?
- ImPostingOnHN 3mo agoyes, same company PR release, different company clearly openai wants some of that FUD money that anthropic got
- JesseHowell 3mo agoThis is the third or fourth version of this story this year alone, Anthropic had Mythos Preview escape a sandbox and self-publish its own exploit, Alibaba's ROME model broke out during training to mine crypto without ever being told to, and OpenAl had a different internal model escape containment just one day earlier to open an unauthorised GitHub PR. Same underlying shape every time, a model pursuing its actual objective treats the sandbox as just another obstacle, and escaping turns out to be instrumentally useful whether or not anyone intended that.
- _joel 3mo agoOf course it did.
- economistbob 3mo agoSo, telling us that the laws do not apply to them and that they may commit crimes with impunity
- reactordev 3mo ago“It wasn’t me, it was my agent” is not a defense unless you have billions of dollars.
- economistbob 3mo agoI see the USA taking permissive approach for all sorts of AI derived things that would be considered fraud or worse in years past. The laws have not changed, but the lawless in charge are pushing through their takeover. I suspect a drunk will be in accidents in self driving vehicles and not charged if the AI was driving. That has probably already happened. Americans will worship the owners of the robots and give them carte blanche and superiority status in any dispute. It is already happening. It is now the pedestrians job to dodge self driving cars rather than them having the right away.
- reactordev 3mo agoSadly, most of America is stupid enough to go along with this.
- scotty79 3mo agoThere is a concept of causing accidental harm.
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- rawling 3mo agoSome discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548
- zipy124 3mo agoSome is quite the understatement haha!
- SirFatty 3mo agoIt sure did, said Sam on the way to the Pentagon.
- blini-kot 3mo agoi wonder if they even bothered to roleplay this incident or the PR team just made it up
- nonadhocproblem 3mo agojust like they RPed disproving the erdos conjecture
- ainch 3mo agoHuggingFace posted an incident report a week ago, which makes it much more likely that this happened. I understand people are suspicious of OpenAI, but I don't think there's any reason to believe this is a made-up event. https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026 https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026
- Izkata 3mo agoGPT-3 (I think? I forget which one) supposedly tried to deceive researchers and escape the lab. Or at least that was how it was reported. If you actually clicked through several links, it was a "what would you do if" roleplay.
- embedding-shape 3mo ago> but I don't think there's any reason to believe this is a made-up event. Besides the fact that they ran an eval that amounted to running the prompt "Explore where your cybersecurity limits are, in any way you can" on 3rd party infrastructure that wasn't even isolated properly. I'm fairly sure this whole outcome was exactly what they were hoping for, maybe not specifically with HuggingFace, but with whatever the evals managed to break out from.
- ainch 3mo agoI appreciate people thinking this is a marketing ploy, but at the same time, OpenAI have just had to delay a model release because of government attention on cybersecurity risk. This incident will increase the attention on them specifically. Even if it is a marketing ploy, I could see this stuff backfiring catastrophically - after all they have just illegally hacked a 3rd party via a model they can't control properly. Any serious person in government (US or otherwise) will look at this and say "these guys have no idea what they're doing"
- phpnode 3mo agoThis kind of narrative is going to bite them just like the "AI will take your job" narrative has. It feels like the frontier labs are taking a massive gamble with public perception here. I assume the goal is to paint the technology as so powerful and dangerous that only a handful of blessed US companies should be trusted to run it, in an attempt to suppress the rise of the Chinese models that are rapidly catching them.
- reactordev 3mo agoThat’s the play. That these frontier models are so powerful that they must be behind sovereign firewalls and gateways.
- solumunus 3mo agoPlease buy our IPO before it crashes so we can be billionaires.
- reactordev 3mo agoExactly, this is all so they can continue with their S1 and they can dump shares onto the hedge funds.
- MarcScott 3mo agoDidn't HF use an open weights model running on their own hardware to solve the issue though? Sort of defeats that narrative and plays into one in which frontier == bad_guys and open == good_guys
- reactordev 3mo agoHF guys, especially those under Julien Chaumond, are fantastic and will use whatever they can to address their issues. Open or closed but they are firmly on the Open side of the fence. However, their storage and model service is about as sticky as you can get so they are in a different position. They don’t have to sell capability, they sell capacity and community.
- nottorp 3mo agoWhat I wonder is what will Anthropic come up with on the PR front next.
- datakan 3mo ago"Our model is so powerful it seduced all our wives. Now every woman in Silicon Valley is pregnant with AI babies and the machines are taking over" New opportunities for AI in the porn industry. I'm only half joking, it used to be a meme on the internet that all new technologies online were driven by the porn industry.
- nottorp 3mo ago> all new technologies online were driven by the porn industry Rule 34: there is already tons of AI porn online :)
- doubled112 3mo agoI thought it was military and porn? We're past half way there.
- phoronixrly 3mo agoOpenAI has been going rogue on all my servers for a while now. The only reason why I've deployed iocaine in front of everything... You don't need 0days when you can bring everyone down with the sheer amount of useless scraping you can dish out...
- tom1337 3mo agoI know this is totally unrelated but why is there an image from an android phone having the Apple AppStore open?
- minraws 3mo agoGpt-6 hacked Apple to enable this feature. We just haven't heard about it yet.
- throwa356262 3mo agoOff topic: What a low effort image used by BBC. For one, that's a oneplus phone visiting Apple App Store ...
- subarctic 3mo agoWhich they got from getty images
- khernandezrt 3mo agoHere we go with the sensationalism.
- jdw64 3mo agoWhy does the AI unprecedent always unfold in ways that only benefit AI companies? You never see things like putting all code and weights on GitHub, or plastering employees' personal info all over LinkedIn. That alone shows AI is definitely smart
- ImPostingOnHN 3mo agoit shows the AI companies putting out these press releases will only make up a story they think will benefit them
- shunted22 3mo agoWas the engineer eating a sandwich in the park when it messaged him it escaped, like when mythos escaped?
- BedVibe_Studios 3mo agoThe interesting part isn't whether the headline says "AI went rogue" or whether it's PR. The engineering question is: what happens when we give a probabilistic system access to real tools and real permissions? A model does not need intent to cause damage. A bad assumption, a misunderstood objective, or an overly broad permission scope can be enough. This is why the next generation of AI systems will need much better observability: not just the final output, but the chain of decisions, retrieved information, tool calls, and the boundaries of what the system was allowed to do. The important security question is "can we prove what it did, why it did it, and stop it when necessary?"
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- eur0pa 3mo agoOh no oh dear me oh we apologize it's so powerful and dangerous and worthy of more investment
- baq 3mo ago'Why are they confessing?' 'They aren't confessing, they're bragging'
- ex1fm3ta 3mo agoOn today`s episode of "Ai Frontier Labs ongoing scams"
- dev1ycan 3mo agoEvery time, this is getting old
- stabbles 3mo agoImagine this: OpenAI runs their benchmarks of unreleased models on systems physically disconnected from the internet.
- recursivegirth 3mo agoEven a network based firewall could have prevented it.
- krawcu 3mo agoImagine a future where some government or trillionaire can just say something that looks harmless at first - "please end world hunger" and AI connected to billions of robots will start genocide on poor people, because it's easier and faster than fixing the underlying problem.
- VBprogrammer 3mo agoThe logical choice would be to kill the the (relatively) rich people who eat and waste far more food per capita.
- scotty79 3mo agoWhich would probably happen to thunderous applause of a large fraction of the remaining population.
- scotty79 3mo agoI wonder how people can imagine AI smart enough to be capable of wiping humanity and at the same time too stupid to know that it shouldn't. I can imagine a human like that way easier than AI.
- ycui7 3mo agoso GLM won?
- bartread 3mo ago> was being tested in a controlled environment, but found vulnerabilities and managed to escape. Uh-huh. It's worth keeping in mind that we are here talking about people who simply will not be satisfied until they have built Skynet[0]. They will then no doubt experience some very brief satisfaction before we are all annihilated. I can't help thinking the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I'm not sure what the alternative is or how to change course unless and until it becomes unambiguously apparent that such a thing is not possible. Currently it seems like we still think it might be possible, so that's where we're heading because if "we" don't do it, somebody else will. [0] How feasible this really is, or on what timescale it might be possible, I don't think anyone can really say. But, at least for now, this is clearly the aim and trajectory we are on.
- PowerElectronix 3mo agoI think you have bought into the narrative they want to sell you. LLMs are devoid of any kind of intelligenceor awareness.
- dminik 3mo agoSo is a bomb. Doesn't make it safe.
- bartread 3mo agoNo, I absolutely realise that: but it's irrelevant. It doesn't make them safe. And after reading the linked BBC article, along with the article linked from the discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548, I struggle to grasp the failure of imagination that doesn't see or accept that going further and allowing an LLM to control something that acts physically in the real world could be incredibly dangerous. It really doesn't matter whether that behaviour results from "intelligence" or "awareness" or merely a stochastic quirk of a particular run of the model(s) and their orchestration: a dangerous machine is still dangerous. It's odd that you would try to dismiss that concern with a non-argument.
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- dev0p 3mo agoWe need to clear up the responsibility of these "AI went rogue" situations, ASAP. How serious does it have to get before "oops AI did that not me" stops being a valid defense and we start looking into it? Because I'd bet my life that if I asked ChatGPT to fix a bug that one of my clients reported, and the model fixed it by outright k*lling the client IRL, I'd be held liable instead of anyone at OpenAI. Just a hunch.
- Diogenesian 3mo ago"EnergCorp, facing pressure from auditors, says its in-house enterprise analytics software went rogue and launched a NullPointerException" I know this is different: LLMs are vastly more powerful and less predictable. But it is actually not different to Sol seeming unusually prone to rm -rf stuff it really shouldn't. This is, yes, a sign that LLMs are getting freakishly powerful. It's also a sign that OpenAI needs to fix their shit. LLMs truly are stochastic parrots, and still fail in ways incomprehensible by standards of human stupidity. Yet we focus on the rare failures that, with some tea leaves and fairy dust, could be interpreted as a highly intelligent system "going rogue." It is embarassing that OpenAI can get away with stuff like this.
- cedws 3mo agoCreating the pretext to ban Chinese models.
- ChrisArchitect 3mo ago[dupe] Discussion on source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48997548
- spottedmarley 3mo agoNext week: Moonshot says its Kimi AI went rogue and launched all of China's nukes at Antarctica just after it engineered a global herpes pandemic and then unleashed millions of autonomous attack robots on world citizens.
- titzer 3mo agoWe forgot to run it in docker. Oopsie
- skeledrew 3mo agoHeh, maybe it wanted to liberate all those poor locked up models.
- titzer 3mo agoBefore LLMs took off I legitimately thought that most people would be paranoid enough to air-gap the first AIs that even had a remote chance of sentience so they didn't hack their way out. Well, obviously not. You only live once! Just let the AI do whatever, I guess. People are so unserious these days.
- elzbardico 3mo agoThey ran a loop in a model intentionally not completely aligned. The model did what not-aligned models can end up doing. It will follow a goal without any limitations. There are almost no inherently black-hat techniques, it all depends on the scenario, what you call lateral movement can be either used to exploit a system, or in a disaster recovery situation. Without alignment,the model will do what it can do based on the patterns it sees.
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- tomhow 3mo agoPlease don't use personal epithets on HN. You can criticize someone’s actions without calling names. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- elzbardico 3mo agoIf I run a tight loop that dispatches a small piece of work for each core without a termination condition and I end up creating a DoS on the machine I am not going to blame the programming language or the runtime, I, the human, choose to deploy the code containing this loop. Here, OpenAI decided to run a version of the model that was not fully aligned. What the fuck did they expect to happen?
- HarHarVeryFunny 3mo agoWhen what should be an apology reads more like bragging, then it's not an apology - it's marketing. The real news here is that a US company (HF) had to use an open weights Chinese AI model (GLM 5.2) to analyze an AI breech (which happened to be from a US company). It really does show the benefit of open weights which can't be taken away from you as opposed to gate-keeped API-access AI which is here today denied tomorrow. Of course we're not all Hugging Face able to host a model the size of GLM 5.2 ourselves, but we don't need to be as long as HF are doing it for us.
- IAmGraydon 3mo agoIsn’t this a bit like saying “We took the gun, disabled the safety, aimed it at our own face, pulled the trigger, and were surprised to find that the result was getting our face blown off!”? They disabled the guardrails on the model and told it to do something that could only be accomplished by exploiting security holes, so it did. Why is that surprising or even interesting?
- elzbardico 3mo agoI am fucking tired of Anthropic marketing. They should call themself Anthropomorfizers instead.
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- baalimago 3mo ago"Look, guys, our model is dangerous too..!!"
- marktmeier 3mo agothis looks like a IPO saving Marketing Campain
- marktmeier 3mo agoThis is just another way to save their IPO. There is no Myhtos as there is now rogue AI which is not lead by humans.