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Should they also stop using American tech because of the vast list of American war crimes?

20k 3mo ago
I mean yes, there's an enormous movement to diversify away from american tech currently in the EU, and a massive amount of investment to get away from the entire american tech bubble I have no idea why you're phrasing this like this when so much money is being put into solving precisely this problem right now
- RobotToaster 3mo ago
  > have no idea why you're phrasing this like this Because Kagi is in California.
  - maelito 3mo ago
    Do we live in Ecotopia ? Did I miss the news ? Hopefully yes.
maelito 3mo ago
Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech. As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.
- GreenWatermelon 3mo ago
  So it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries? The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.
  - Hnrobert42 3mo ago
    Whoa! You don't know where they are from. Given time zones, it's likely they are from Europe
    - 100721 3mo ago
      Or very far eastern Canada :D
  - literalAardvark 2mo ago
    The US has at least led the longest window of relative peace in the world. Might seem worse or the same to you if you're in one of the flashpoints, but for Europeans they've been reasonable hegemons until recently. Russia has no such redeeming qualities, as far as I can tell they've always been extractive expansionist assholes like all previous empires. The only reason you might not despise them is that they might not be active in your area, as their ability to project force has always been pathetic. In Eastern Europe they're roughly Satan, and have been for at least a century.
- pydry 3mo ago
  Indeed, the comparison isnt fair. The US is complicit in a genocide recognised by the UN and many of the US's own allies.
- owebmaster 3mo ago
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- jimnotgym 3mo ago
  They have only threatened to do that, yes
- coldtea 3mo ago
  >As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter. No, just bombed, invaded, overthrew governments, etc in dozens of countries all around the world...
  - victorbjorklund 3mo ago
    Yet not annexed anyone so far (seems like US today is another case).
    - coldtea 3mo ago
      Given that we talk about mostly white European settlers, just the huge majority of native american lands, a good chunk of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and several smaller places, areas controlled as "banana republics", Phillipines, and who knows, eventually Greenland, and even talk about Canada, unserious as it likely is. And with no own ethnic population there to begin with or continuous historical ties to the area.
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- MYEUHD 3mo ago
  The US invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Syria, Latin America etc. The list is too long. So here's a link showing the list of invasions, bombings, and CIA-backed regime-change operations in other countries: https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasions-coups-complete-list.php https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasio... The estimates are that the US has killed between 20 and 30 million people after WWII. And these are just direct kills. The figure is much higher if you count indirect kills through means of economic sanctions.
  - maelito 3mo ago
    Yes, I know, didn't you read the "Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech." sentence above ? You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars. I'm not saying the US didn't trigger wars and their casualties. It's of course true.
    - MYEUHD 3mo ago
      > You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars. During the past year and a half, the US has bombed Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen and Mexico. It has provided free bombs to a country that has been bombing Palestine (genocide), Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran. It has kidnapped the leader of a country and assassinated the leader of another country. It has pirated all oil shipments to Cuba, causing a severe crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blockade_on_Cuba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blocka...
- inigyou 3mo ago
  Avoiding Russian tech, specifically Yandex, is also hard because Yandex is one of only three search indexes that aren't corrupted to all hell with business interests. The other ones being Marginalia and Mojeek. Of those, it's the only one that has image search.
blackhaz 3mo ago
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- wartywhoa23 3mo ago
  Impeccable argument.

20k 3mo ago

I mean yes, there's an enormous movement to diversify away from american tech currently in the EU, and a massive amount of investment to get away from the entire american tech bubble I have no idea why you're phrasing this like this when so much money is being put into solving precisely this problem right now

RobotToaster 3mo ago
> have no idea why you're phrasing this like this Because Kagi is in California.
- maelito 3mo ago
  Do we live in Ecotopia ? Did I miss the news ? Hopefully yes.

maelito 3mo ago

Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech. As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

GreenWatermelon 3mo ago
So it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries? The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.
- Hnrobert42 3mo ago
  Whoa! You don't know where they are from. Given time zones, it's likely they are from Europe
  - 100721 3mo ago
    Or very far eastern Canada :D
- literalAardvark 2mo ago
  The US has at least led the longest window of relative peace in the world. Might seem worse or the same to you if you're in one of the flashpoints, but for Europeans they've been reasonable hegemons until recently. Russia has no such redeeming qualities, as far as I can tell they've always been extractive expansionist assholes like all previous empires. The only reason you might not despise them is that they might not be active in your area, as their ability to project force has always been pathetic. In Eastern Europe they're roughly Satan, and have been for at least a century.
pydry 3mo ago
Indeed, the comparison isnt fair. The US is complicit in a genocide recognised by the UN and many of the US's own allies.
owebmaster 3mo ago
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jimnotgym 3mo ago
They have only threatened to do that, yes
coldtea 3mo ago
>As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter. No, just bombed, invaded, overthrew governments, etc in dozens of countries all around the world...
- victorbjorklund 3mo ago
  Yet not annexed anyone so far (seems like US today is another case).
  - coldtea 3mo ago
    Given that we talk about mostly white European settlers, just the huge majority of native american lands, a good chunk of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and several smaller places, areas controlled as "banana republics", Phillipines, and who knows, eventually Greenland, and even talk about Canada, unserious as it likely is. And with no own ethnic population there to begin with or continuous historical ties to the area.
  - deleted 3mo ago
    [deleted]
MYEUHD 3mo ago
The US invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Syria, Latin America etc. The list is too long. So here's a link showing the list of invasions, bombings, and CIA-backed regime-change operations in other countries: https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasions-coups-complete-list.php https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasio... The estimates are that the US has killed between 20 and 30 million people after WWII. And these are just direct kills. The figure is much higher if you count indirect kills through means of economic sanctions.
- maelito 3mo ago
  Yes, I know, didn't you read the "Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech." sentence above ? You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars. I'm not saying the US didn't trigger wars and their casualties. It's of course true.
  - MYEUHD 3mo ago
    > You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars. During the past year and a half, the US has bombed Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen and Mexico. It has provided free bombs to a country that has been bombing Palestine (genocide), Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran. It has kidnapped the leader of a country and assassinated the leader of another country. It has pirated all oil shipments to Cuba, causing a severe crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blockade_on_Cuba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blocka...
inigyou 3mo ago
Avoiding Russian tech, specifically Yandex, is also hard because Yandex is one of only three search indexes that aren't corrupted to all hell with business interests. The other ones being Marginalia and Mojeek. Of those, it's the only one that has image search.

blackhaz 3mo ago

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wartywhoa23 3mo ago
Impeccable argument.