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The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the gr
by exabrial 3mo ago
The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control.
Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.
- petilon 3mo ago[flagged]
- jeanlucas 3mo agoSo if they paid for pre-training they would not be able to open their weights?
- petilon 3mo agoNot if they want to recoup their investment.
- j-bos 3mo agoThey distilled Fable, in the couple weeks it was available?
- gr_norm 3mo agoThe idea that the Chinese labs cannot make progress except by copying superior American products is just prejudice against the former and exceptionalism of the latter at play. Even the OpenAI top brass have admitted otherwise [1]. China is an equal match in every respect, and we'd better admit this to ourselves sooner rather than later so as to see the game clearly. [1] https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412 https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412
- petilon 3mo ago[flagged]
- solenoid0937 3mo agoYes, distillation is very very easy.
- digdigdag 3mo agoWhat you're seeing is the distilled (no pun intended) result of realpolitik at play. China's labs aren't as open as they are out of altruism, but rather to capitalize and undercut the monopoly held by U.S. competitors.
- __float 3mo agoThey wanted capitalism, no? Here's the competition in the market.
- jshen 3mo agoIs kimi making a profit? How subsidized is it by the Chinese government?
- bdcravens 3mo agoIs that any worse than being subsidized by VC? They're playing the same game as the western labs, just with slightly different players.
- malshe 3mo agoChinese government vs American VCs doesn't equate to "slight different players."
- vrganj 3mo agoTrue. The Chinese Communist Party's motto is "Serve the People". [0] They might not always live up to that, but at least the aspiration is there. No such pretense from American VCs. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serve_the_People https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serve_the_People
- jshen 3mo agoThis is the most naive comment I've read in a long time.
- re-thc 3mo ago> The irony is the Chinese are being There's no irony. The problem is these generalizations and labelling that's hurting everyone. It's the wrong way to view China and maybe many other places. Just like the definition of AI, the definition of democratic or not evolved long ago.
- StopTencent 3mo ago[flagged]
- NooneAtAll3 3mo agoI'm reminded of space race, where US built centralized planning, while USSR did competition between construction buros