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A PHP server that can handle 10x as many concurrent requests as Nginx+PHP-fpm

32 points by EGreg 3mo ago

oriettaxx 3mo ago
I am very curious about it it looks great, but too new of course: waiting for others'feeds
blain 3mo ago
I wonder if it would be possible to run Wordpress on this. The issue with Workermen or Swoole is that they doesnt provide request data through globals and some headers are absent which Wordpress is a heavy user of.
- andai 3mo ago
  Several of the WordPress sites I've worked on were CPU bottlenecked, so I'm not sure if this would have helped. (We had one that took 10+ seconds to build the page... I joked that we were running a static site generator on each HTTP request. My joke was not appreciated!)
  - znpy 3mo ago
    > so I'm not sure if this would have helped. maybe not on cpu but surely on memory
- deleted 3mo ago
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- EGreg 3mo ago
  Should absolutely be possible, yes. What headers are usually missing?
edelbitter 3mo ago
At the expense of being unreachable if a single client does not play nice?
- EGreg 3mo ago
  Not at all. You are probably thinking of evented programming that happens in Node, Swoole or FrankenPHP. Qbix server makes sure each PHP process is isolated, so you also don’t leak any memory or secrets across requests. Out of all runtimes powering web servers today, I like PHP the most for its shared-nothing architecture, preventing a whole lot of security bugs by default. I think making it evented for HTTP is clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. You win very little, because most web servers code is I/O bound. With 8GB RAM and no virtual memory swapfile, Qbix Server allows you to handle, say, 1600 concurrent HTTP requests and 40,000 websocket connections simultaneously, so having an HTTP handler PHP process exit and be respawned via fork is cheap (0.5ms to reset it to a state with all the bootstrap already done). Processes simply yield when doing I/O and you let the OS handle the I/O waiting instead of green threads in an event loop. It’s almost as fast, and frankly, dynamic PHP can be 2% or less of all your requests, when you start aggressively sending Cache-Control headers causing this Qbix webserver to cache your PHP results, as well as nginx/varnish and CDNs upstream too.
  - ahofmann 3mo ago
    You (well your LLM of choice) doesn't answer the asked question. Maybe I'm stupid and there is an answer in this text, but I can't see it.
    - EGreg 3mo ago
      I wrote that answer with my own fingers on my iPhone
sceptic123 3mo ago
I'm curious on the goal of releasing software like this, it's making some crazy claims right out of the gate, but is obviously not production ready or battle hardened. There's some reasonably obvious security issues and not a single test of any kind in the project.
- bfoag 3mo ago
  I could understand your criticism if this was link to a flashy marketing page or a blatant attempt to sell something - but this is a github repo with an MIT license, what exactly is the problem? I have no particular interest in using this piece of software, but I would still celebrate and defend the notion that people can have little ideas like this, get something working and then share it with others to move forward with.
  - sceptic123 3mo ago
    I'm questioning what the purpose is of pushing it at this point in the project lifecycle. It may not have a fancy website but it is making flashy marketing claims in that readme. How about being upfront about the maturity of the project before making the kind of comparisons that it does.
    - oldandboring 3mo ago
      Every day HN receives submissions like this, albeit usually as "show HN" posts, but not always. One could argue it's literally what HN is here for.
      - sceptic123 3mo ago
        > If you're sharing your own work and there's a way to try it out, put "Show HN" in the title. Make sure you've read the Show HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html. https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html. :shrug:
  - mixdup 3mo ago
    I mean this thing is "Part of the Qbix platform" and there is an offer to sell services related to the "Qbix platform"
mrkandy 3mo ago
PHP based production web servers is available for long time. Great example is swoole and reactphp.
robertacion 3mo ago
This looks really interesting, thank you! Looking forward to testing it to see if I get any speed ups. Also I am sorry that you got pushback and snarky feedback in HN, it is definitely not justified, and you always replied very politely.

32 points by EGreg 3mo ago

I am very curious about it it looks great, but too new of course: waiting for others'feeds

blain 3mo ago

I wonder if it would be possible to run Wordpress on this. The issue with Workermen or Swoole is that they doesnt provide request data through globals and some headers are absent which Wordpress is a heavy user of.

andai 3mo ago
Several of the WordPress sites I've worked on were CPU bottlenecked, so I'm not sure if this would have helped. (We had one that took 10+ seconds to build the page... I joked that we were running a static site generator on each HTTP request. My joke was not appreciated!)
- znpy 3mo ago
  > so I'm not sure if this would have helped. maybe not on cpu but surely on memory
deleted 3mo ago
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EGreg 3mo ago
Should absolutely be possible, yes. What headers are usually missing?

edelbitter 3mo ago

At the expense of being unreachable if a single client does not play nice?

EGreg 3mo ago
Not at all. You are probably thinking of evented programming that happens in Node, Swoole or FrankenPHP. Qbix server makes sure each PHP process is isolated, so you also don’t leak any memory or secrets across requests. Out of all runtimes powering web servers today, I like PHP the most for its shared-nothing architecture, preventing a whole lot of security bugs by default. I think making it evented for HTTP is clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. You win very little, because most web servers code is I/O bound. With 8GB RAM and no virtual memory swapfile, Qbix Server allows you to handle, say, 1600 concurrent HTTP requests and 40,000 websocket connections simultaneously, so having an HTTP handler PHP process exit and be respawned via fork is cheap (0.5ms to reset it to a state with all the bootstrap already done). Processes simply yield when doing I/O and you let the OS handle the I/O waiting instead of green threads in an event loop. It’s almost as fast, and frankly, dynamic PHP can be 2% or less of all your requests, when you start aggressively sending Cache-Control headers causing this Qbix webserver to cache your PHP results, as well as nginx/varnish and CDNs upstream too.
- ahofmann 3mo ago
  You (well your LLM of choice) doesn't answer the asked question. Maybe I'm stupid and there is an answer in this text, but I can't see it.
  - EGreg 3mo ago
    I wrote that answer with my own fingers on my iPhone

sceptic123 3mo ago

I'm curious on the goal of releasing software like this, it's making some crazy claims right out of the gate, but is obviously not production ready or battle hardened. There's some reasonably obvious security issues and not a single test of any kind in the project.

bfoag 3mo ago
I could understand your criticism if this was link to a flashy marketing page or a blatant attempt to sell something - but this is a github repo with an MIT license, what exactly is the problem? I have no particular interest in using this piece of software, but I would still celebrate and defend the notion that people can have little ideas like this, get something working and then share it with others to move forward with.
- sceptic123 3mo ago
  I'm questioning what the purpose is of pushing it at this point in the project lifecycle. It may not have a fancy website but it is making flashy marketing claims in that readme. How about being upfront about the maturity of the project before making the kind of comparisons that it does.
  - oldandboring 3mo ago
    Every day HN receives submissions like this, albeit usually as "show HN" posts, but not always. One could argue it's literally what HN is here for.
    - sceptic123 3mo ago
      > If you're sharing your own work and there's a way to try it out, put "Show HN" in the title. Make sure you've read the Show HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html. https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html. :shrug:
- mixdup 3mo ago
  I mean this thing is "Part of the Qbix platform" and there is an offer to sell services related to the "Qbix platform"

mrkandy 3mo ago

PHP based production web servers is available for long time. Great example is swoole and reactphp.

robertacion 3mo ago

This looks really interesting, thank you! Looking forward to testing it to see if I get any speed ups. Also I am sorry that you got pushback and snarky feedback in HN, it is definitely not justified, and you always replied very politely.