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Or because having kids is much more limiting for women than it is for men... It's almost like no one here has actually talked to women in their 20s and early 3

Or because having kids is much more limiting for women than it is for men... It's almost like no one here has actually talked to women in their 20s and early 30s. While cost does play a role, almost every guy (and it's always guys) seems to ignore polling amongst women [0] that highlights this shift. Women face the physical effects of childbirth and the subsequent recovery (if they recover), as well as stalled careers and the continued existence of patriarchical norms. Unsurprisingly, the younger generation of women are much less interested compared to men, because now they have a choice. [0] - https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/reasons-adults-give-for-not-having-children/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/reasons...

throw310822 3mo ago
Yah, but isn't this the same that the post is saying? The younger generation of women are much less interested because now they have a choice that procures them a better status. I hope it's clear that there is no moral judgement in this- it's perfectly legitimate, actually expected behaviour.
- alephnerd 3mo ago
  It's not about status dude. Gestating and expulsing a living human being is very difficult to physically and mentally recover from. All we as guys need to do is put our shlong in. Women have to deal with the physical and mental externalities of that, so unsurprisingly a lot of young women are increasingly uninterested in having kids even if status played a role (which it doesn't as polling amongst women points out).
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- watwut 3mo ago
  Better status is misleading label for "I will have more time for myself and things I like, for own dreams and hopes, I will be able to be more independent" and "my life wont be completely ruled by others needs with no reward" and so on. Status is only loosely related to what those people want. It just just one of many aspects.
  - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
    Indeed, women are affirming their desire for agency, autonomy, and self determination vs a decade or two of uncompensated labor. Women have chosen freedom, reflected in global fertility rate decline curves, and we’re still discovering what the neutral fertility rate is under these circumstances. It appears to be around a TFR of 1 (+-0.5), but still early days in the demographic compression to say what the next decade or two looks like. The Fertility Rate of Every Country in the World - https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fertility-rate-of-world-populations/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fertility-rate-of-world-pop... - May 17th, 2026
  - throw310822 3mo ago
    This is also true. But let me also add to this: time for yourself and what you like, for your dreams and hopes... that depends on what your dreams and hopes are, and what you think are valuable goals to pursue, and ultimately your idea of a worthy life. These are cultural values, not absolutes. And when your society agrees that cool people attain these goals, then pursuing them becomes also a form of status. In other words, the coolest guy at a party is not the one with a family home, a stable job and four kids; it's the childless bachelor with a super interesting life.
    - cindyllm 3mo ago
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    - watwut 3mo ago
      > that depends on what your dreams and hopes are, and what you think are valuable goals to pursue, and ultimately your idea of a worthy life. You are talking about grand ideas here, but I do not mean like that at all. I mean things like "being able to have time to read a book I like or being able to watch tv series". Or, "being able to leave it the relationship gets abusive". Or, "having a little thing of my own I created". Or like "not loosing all my interests and hobbies, being able to keep at least some of them". Or like, "having an hour of uninterrupted time". I did not mentioned "coolest guy at the party". In relations to moms, we are talking about "not being completely isolated from society for prolonged time" or "being able to socialize often enough to not loose social skills" or "just going to a party once in a while". Or "being able to keep a semi interesting job". Or just "have a topic to talk about, so that the party does not consists of me sitting there having nothing to say feeling like I dont belong". A lot of those are things that other people don't even see and have no way to judge. They are things you are taking as granted, but if you have kids, you are at risk of loosing those.
bad_username 3mo ago
> About four-in-ten (39%) say a major reason they didn’t have children is that it just never happened. This sounds.... circular? The reason they didn't have children is they just didn't? This study is strange.
- alephnerd 3mo ago
  That's for women who are 50 and older. I'd recommend reading the entire survey, or you know actual women in their 20s and early 30s. 57% of all American women under 50 don't want children as the Pew Survey showed. I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for so many guys to not get that a lot of women are uninterested in having kids. And this is a common sentiment globally as living standards rise.
b0rtb0rt 3mo ago
most women are on medication that tricks their bodies into thinking they are already pregnant and suppresses their primary biological drive. this makes their “choice” a lot easier

throw310822 3mo ago

Yah, but isn't this the same that the post is saying? The younger generation of women are much less interested because now they have a choice that procures them a better status. I hope it's clear that there is no moral judgement in this- it's perfectly legitimate, actually expected behaviour.

alephnerd 3mo ago
It's not about status dude. Gestating and expulsing a living human being is very difficult to physically and mentally recover from. All we as guys need to do is put our shlong in. Women have to deal with the physical and mental externalities of that, so unsurprisingly a lot of young women are increasingly uninterested in having kids even if status played a role (which it doesn't as polling amongst women points out).
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watwut 3mo ago
Better status is misleading label for "I will have more time for myself and things I like, for own dreams and hopes, I will be able to be more independent" and "my life wont be completely ruled by others needs with no reward" and so on. Status is only loosely related to what those people want. It just just one of many aspects.
- toomuchtodo 3mo ago
  Indeed, women are affirming their desire for agency, autonomy, and self determination vs a decade or two of uncompensated labor. Women have chosen freedom, reflected in global fertility rate decline curves, and we’re still discovering what the neutral fertility rate is under these circumstances. It appears to be around a TFR of 1 (+-0.5), but still early days in the demographic compression to say what the next decade or two looks like. The Fertility Rate of Every Country in the World - https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fertility-rate-of-world-populations/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fertility-rate-of-world-pop... - May 17th, 2026
- throw310822 3mo ago
  This is also true. But let me also add to this: time for yourself and what you like, for your dreams and hopes... that depends on what your dreams and hopes are, and what you think are valuable goals to pursue, and ultimately your idea of a worthy life. These are cultural values, not absolutes. And when your society agrees that cool people attain these goals, then pursuing them becomes also a form of status. In other words, the coolest guy at a party is not the one with a family home, a stable job and four kids; it's the childless bachelor with a super interesting life.
  - cindyllm 3mo ago
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  - watwut 3mo ago
    > that depends on what your dreams and hopes are, and what you think are valuable goals to pursue, and ultimately your idea of a worthy life. You are talking about grand ideas here, but I do not mean like that at all. I mean things like "being able to have time to read a book I like or being able to watch tv series". Or, "being able to leave it the relationship gets abusive". Or, "having a little thing of my own I created". Or like "not loosing all my interests and hobbies, being able to keep at least some of them". Or like, "having an hour of uninterrupted time". I did not mentioned "coolest guy at the party". In relations to moms, we are talking about "not being completely isolated from society for prolonged time" or "being able to socialize often enough to not loose social skills" or "just going to a party once in a while". Or "being able to keep a semi interesting job". Or just "have a topic to talk about, so that the party does not consists of me sitting there having nothing to say feeling like I dont belong". A lot of those are things that other people don't even see and have no way to judge. They are things you are taking as granted, but if you have kids, you are at risk of loosing those.

bad_username 3mo ago

> About four-in-ten (39%) say a major reason they didn’t have children is that it just never happened. This sounds.... circular? The reason they didn't have children is they just didn't? This study is strange.

alephnerd 3mo ago
That's for women who are 50 and older. I'd recommend reading the entire survey, or you know actual women in their 20s and early 30s. 57% of all American women under 50 don't want children as the Pew Survey showed. I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for so many guys to not get that a lot of women are uninterested in having kids. And this is a common sentiment globally as living standards rise.

b0rtb0rt 3mo ago

most women are on medication that tricks their bodies into thinking they are already pregnant and suppresses their primary biological drive. this makes their “choice” a lot easier