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Was hoping it was a political act in favor of land reform or against owning property.
by hughw 3mo ago
Was hoping it was a political act in favor of land reform or against owning property.
- subsaharancoder 3mo ago"you will own nothing and be happy"..no thank you!
- jplrssn 3mo agoI always thought the “you will own nothing” expression referred to a Gini coefficient of 1, not 0. The intent of abolishing private property would presumably be the latter.
- rexpop 3mo agoDepends on if you're scaremongering about Capitalists or Commies.
- jplrssn 3mo agoThat’s true. But in a world with monthly toothbrush subscriptions one of those end states feels much closer than the other.
- inigyou 3mo agoCapitalists say "you will own nothing" and want a Gini coefficient of 1. Communists don't say "you will own nothing" - they say "abolish private property" and refer to a Gini coefficient of 0.
- hughw 3mo agocommunists really say "social ownership of the means of production"
- kakacik 3mo agoIt was tried many times, it never worked for exactly 1 same reason over and over again - for all that utopia to actually work sustainably long term, it expects ideal citizens. As in selfless, truly dedicated to society above their own needs, uncorruptable and non-realistic in other ways. I've seen it personally fail miserably and destroy entire nation's spirit for generations to come (on top of other things destroyed for good). Needless to say, capitalism with its harshness to laziness and carrot on the stick for hard workers got within 2 generations massively ahead, to the point where Gorbachev didn't believe it wasn't Potemkin village setup when visiting some random grocery store in western Germany and seeing the vast amount of produce and quality available to everybody, on level even he personally could only dream of back home.
- inigyou 3mo agoChina is ahead of the US right now though
- subsaharancoder 3mo agoA Great Leap Forward..some might say...
- wateralien 3mo agoFair enough. But you do realize that all ownership is a made-up shared fiction that most people believe as real.
- RandomLensman 3mo agoThat is sufficient to make it real for most intents and purposes.
- nh23423fefe 3mo agoWhy is this skeptical property anti-realism useful? This argument obviously proves too much.
- ifdefdebug 3mo agoAs long as trying to break that fiction has real-world consequences like jail time etc., it will work anyway.
- redleader55 3mo agoWe had that almost 80 years ago for a few decades, but we shot a guy at the end of it. I hope the next one to suggest something like this remembers the history and refrains from it. It did help the West, and especially the UK, to get as immigrants very high good plumbers and handy men. The rest of us went into STEM and are now working for FAANGS.
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- victorbjorklund 3mo agoRomania already tried communism. The people did not love it.