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I assume you're talking about the co-founder, because while I live in Sweden (and hold a Swedish passport, despite not being born here) - I do not support popul

by dijit 3mo ago

I assume you're talking about the co-founder, because while I live in Sweden (and hold a Swedish passport, despite not being born here) - I do not support populist parties such as the Örebro party. (They aren't even a thing as far as I can tell in Malmö, where I live.) I am one of the imposter people you reference. That said, I don't actually see much to corroborate what you're saying either, they don't seem to be implying use of AI and mass surveillance. I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it?

inigyou 3mo ago
You strongly implied you supported the Örebro party because they have strong opinions and you support people with strong opinions even when they are bad opinions. (Which is populism, by the way - it's another way of saying you're a populist.) If you give money to Mullvad you're giving a percentage of it through to Örebro. That's why people are boycotting Mullvad. No I don't think it's a honeypot, unless it's a total lie to begin with. If it's true, it's an unforced error by Mullvad. There are other VPNs you can use that allow port forwarding. > I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it? This is against guidelines.
- dijit 3mo ago
  I support the co-founder - I believe that he would defend my views that he would disagree with more now that I know he has disagreeable views himself and runs a platform based on free speech -- it gives him "skin in the game" for privacy; and the more I see people screaming about how everything that isn't 100% globalism is actually a Nazi is making me even more sympathetic to him. Can you show me where you got the idea of mass surveillance and AI (since you're claiming you didn't make it up)
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    > everything that isn't 100% globalism My dude, he wants to expel all non-Swedes from Sweden.
    - dijit 3mo ago
      From what I've learned (from these threads) the leader of the Orebro party said he wanted to expel those who commit crimes, even if they were born here (if they have no "natural" connection to Sweden). It's an extreme position. Yet it's also now two degrees moved from the founder of Mullvad; who has not expressed these opinions nor issued direct support for them specifically, nor do they imply all non-Swedes as you imply. I'm not sure how you go from "Mullvad founder gave money to a party" to "that party leader said something extreme about criminals and welfare-abuse" to "the mullvad founder wants all non-Swedes deported".
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        My guy, he contributed 70% of the party's funds. That's pretty strong support. And he's smart enough to keep an apparent firewall between him and the party to deflect criticism. What is a "natural connection to Sweden"?
        dijit 3mo ago
        Having a home, kids, a pet, a job and being part of a community that is integrated into the social fabric of the country. "Values" get thrown around a lot, but equality of women and acceptance of homosexuality is a big deal to Swedes, so if you shun those things then I wouldn't expect acceptance.
        dijit 3mo ago
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      - g-b-r 3mo ago
        "They will also be forced to leave, even if they are born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedish"
        dijit 3mo ago
        I listened to it, because of these threads. (My Swedish is passive rather than spoken, understanding it isn't the problem.) That quote is his answer to a question about people born here who commit crimes and live long-term on welfare; whether they can also be made to leave. It's not a freestanding statement about everyone born in Sweden to immigrant parents. And the passage continues past where your excerpt stops: "They have not become Swedes. It says Sweden in the passport, but they haven't been interested in becoming part of Sweden. That's a qualitative difference." "Have not become" only works if becoming is possible. So the criterion he's stating is failed assimilation, not ancestry; and the write-ups of the same interview describe his programme the same way: remigration for criminals and the long-term welfare-dependent. To be fair: that's still a subjective judgement about people's inner attitudes, which I've said elsewhere in this thread is arbitrary and I'd oppose. He also says he's prepared to "walk over corpses" on this, so I'm not selling him as a moderate. Extreme, yes. Ancestry-based, no. Those are different accusations, and only one of them survives contact with sources. Podcast (Swedish): https://aljosja.substack.com/p/satter-orebropartiet-sverige-forst https://aljosja.substack.com/p/satter-orebropartiet-sverige-... I feel like people are looking for a reason to be outraged and not the shape of the actual situation. It makes me skittish.

by dijit 3mo ago

inigyou 3mo ago

You strongly implied you supported the Örebro party because they have strong opinions and you support people with strong opinions even when they are bad opinions. (Which is populism, by the way - it's another way of saying you're a populist.) If you give money to Mullvad you're giving a percentage of it through to Örebro. That's why people are boycotting Mullvad. No I don't think it's a honeypot, unless it's a total lie to begin with. If it's true, it's an unforced error by Mullvad. There are other VPNs you can use that allow port forwarding. > I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it? This is against guidelines.

dijit 3mo ago
I support the co-founder - I believe that he would defend my views that he would disagree with more now that I know he has disagreeable views himself and runs a platform based on free speech -- it gives him "skin in the game" for privacy; and the more I see people screaming about how everything that isn't 100% globalism is actually a Nazi is making me even more sympathetic to him. Can you show me where you got the idea of mass surveillance and AI (since you're claiming you didn't make it up)
- inigyou 3mo ago
  > everything that isn't 100% globalism My dude, he wants to expel all non-Swedes from Sweden.
  - dijit 3mo ago
    From what I've learned (from these threads) the leader of the Orebro party said he wanted to expel those who commit crimes, even if they were born here (if they have no "natural" connection to Sweden). It's an extreme position. Yet it's also now two degrees moved from the founder of Mullvad; who has not expressed these opinions nor issued direct support for them specifically, nor do they imply all non-Swedes as you imply. I'm not sure how you go from "Mullvad founder gave money to a party" to "that party leader said something extreme about criminals and welfare-abuse" to "the mullvad founder wants all non-Swedes deported".
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      My guy, he contributed 70% of the party's funds. That's pretty strong support. And he's smart enough to keep an apparent firewall between him and the party to deflect criticism. What is a "natural connection to Sweden"?
      - dijit 3mo ago
        Having a home, kids, a pet, a job and being part of a community that is integrated into the social fabric of the country. "Values" get thrown around a lot, but equality of women and acceptance of homosexuality is a big deal to Swedes, so if you shun those things then I wouldn't expect acceptance.
        dijit 3mo ago
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    - g-b-r 3mo ago
      "They will also be forced to leave, even if they are born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedish"
      - dijit 3mo ago
        I listened to it, because of these threads. (My Swedish is passive rather than spoken, understanding it isn't the problem.) That quote is his answer to a question about people born here who commit crimes and live long-term on welfare; whether they can also be made to leave. It's not a freestanding statement about everyone born in Sweden to immigrant parents. And the passage continues past where your excerpt stops: "They have not become Swedes. It says Sweden in the passport, but they haven't been interested in becoming part of Sweden. That's a qualitative difference." "Have not become" only works if becoming is possible. So the criterion he's stating is failed assimilation, not ancestry; and the write-ups of the same interview describe his programme the same way: remigration for criminals and the long-term welfare-dependent. To be fair: that's still a subjective judgement about people's inner attitudes, which I've said elsewhere in this thread is arbitrary and I'd oppose. He also says he's prepared to "walk over corpses" on this, so I'm not selling him as a moderate. Extreme, yes. Ancestry-based, no. Those are different accusations, and only one of them survives contact with sources. Podcast (Swedish): https://aljosja.substack.com/p/satter-orebropartiet-sverige-forst https://aljosja.substack.com/p/satter-orebropartiet-sverige-... I feel like people are looking for a reason to be outraged and not the shape of the actual situation. It makes me skittish.