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1) I wasn't alive. 2) My parents weren't alive 3) my grandparents weren't alive. 4) he was running a country, not a company thats entire purpose was to prote

by dijit 3mo ago

1) I wasn't alive. 2) My parents weren't alive 3) my grandparents weren't alive. 4) he was running a country, not a company thats entire purpose was to protect peoples privacy 5) had people taken privacy seriously, there would be a lot less dead people in Europe, famously the dutch kept meticulous records of their populations which is part of why the Nazi's were so effective.

inigyou 3mo ago
If you care about privacy why do you support the political party that wants to use mass surveillance and AI processing to find the "imposter" non-Swedish people in Sweden?
- dijit 3mo ago
  I assume you're talking about the co-founder, because while I live in Sweden (and hold a Swedish passport, despite not being born here) - I do not support populist parties such as the Örebro party. (They aren't even a thing as far as I can tell in Malmö, where I live.) I am one of the imposter people you reference. That said, I don't actually see much to corroborate what you're saying either, they don't seem to be implying use of AI and mass surveillance. I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it?
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    You strongly implied you supported the Örebro party because they have strong opinions and you support people with strong opinions even when they are bad opinions. (Which is populism, by the way - it's another way of saying you're a populist.) If you give money to Mullvad you're giving a percentage of it through to Örebro. That's why people are boycotting Mullvad. No I don't think it's a honeypot, unless it's a total lie to begin with. If it's true, it's an unforced error by Mullvad. There are other VPNs you can use that allow port forwarding. > I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it? This is against guidelines.
    - dijit 3mo ago
      I support the co-founder - I believe that he would defend my views that he would disagree with more now that I know he has disagreeable views himself and runs a platform based on free speech -- it gives him "skin in the game" for privacy; and the more I see people screaming about how everything that isn't 100% globalism is actually a Nazi is making me even more sympathetic to him. Can you show me where you got the idea of mass surveillance and AI (since you're claiming you didn't make it up)
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        > everything that isn't 100% globalism My dude, he wants to expel all non-Swedes from Sweden.
        dijit 3mo ago
        From what I've learned (from these threads) the leader of the Orebro party said he wanted to expel those who commit crimes, even if they were born here (if they have no "natural" connection to Sweden). It's an extreme position. Yet it's also now two degrees moved from the founder of Mullvad; who has not expressed these opinions nor issued direct support for them specifically, nor do they imply all non-Swedes as you imply. I'm not sure how you go from "Mullvad founder gave money to a party" to "that party leader said something extreme about criminals and welfare-abuse" to "the mullvad founder wants all non-Swedes deported".
        inigyou 3mo ago
        My guy, he contributed 70% of the party's funds. That's pretty strong support. And he's smart enough to keep an apparent firewall between him and the party to deflect criticism. What is a "natural connection to Sweden"?
        dijit 3mo ago
        Having a home, kids, a pet, a job and being part of a community that is integrated into the social fabric of the country. "Values" get thrown around a lot, but equality of women and acceptance of homosexuality is a big deal to Swedes, so if you shun those things then I wouldn't expect acceptance.
streetfighter64 3mo ago
> I wasn't alive How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?
- dijit 3mo ago
  I'd feel hungry and on the way to work I might grab something from one of the many Espresso Houses in Malmö, I know this because I've skipped breakfast many times and it's just one aspect to my environment. A better question might be: A) How does it feel to have the president of the galactic federation of planets outlaw cybernetic implants because they are used to harvest cloned Mycinian DNA illegally - despite such a law preventing the commercial use of home based medical technology. or B) How did it feel to be Plato, during the ostraca. -- My point is: I know that the environment my great-granfather lived in is quite literally unknowable to me, despite a living person being able to talk to me about his experiences - it was also barely knowable for him.. "you had to be there". The same way trying to explain to someone about our upbringing (no cell phones, paper maps, you had to stick to your arrangements because once out of the home there was no communication possible) is very difficult, imagine not having cars, air travel, all news being via the paper (which not everyone purchased) and everyone you know is a labourer. In that context, with a global political landscape, and a local-first community of folks who could only articulate ideas amongst themselves... Man, I have no fucking clue how I would feel. Just like they'd have no clue about the concept of Espresso House or what would be possible in 2026. History is really really easy in hindsight. If I have conservative opinions of any sort it's because I prefer to choose options personally that leave us with more choices later. If this level ethnic replacement happens to be wrong, then it's already too late to do anything about it. That's just true, 15% of a country is already here and there's nothing anyone can do about this humanely. Asking me how I'd feel if I was born 100 years ago is extremely uncompelling, because I could ask you how my family from then would think about things are today and I can guarantee that they're not going to agree with your perspective on the right approach.
  - streetfighter64 3mo ago
    You're comparing something that happened 100 years ago with something that happened 2400 years ago (also, what does "during the pottery (ostraca)" refer to?) and some science fiction scenario? Does Sweden not include WWII in the history education anymore, or are students just not recommended to try to insert themselves in the stories at all? > the environment my great-granfather lived in is quite literally unknowable to me Okay, not many things seem to be knowable to you then.

by dijit 3mo ago

inigyou 3mo ago

If you care about privacy why do you support the political party that wants to use mass surveillance and AI processing to find the "imposter" non-Swedish people in Sweden?

dijit 3mo ago
I assume you're talking about the co-founder, because while I live in Sweden (and hold a Swedish passport, despite not being born here) - I do not support populist parties such as the Örebro party. (They aren't even a thing as far as I can tell in Malmö, where I live.) I am one of the imposter people you reference. That said, I don't actually see much to corroborate what you're saying either, they don't seem to be implying use of AI and mass surveillance. I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it?
- inigyou 3mo ago
  You strongly implied you supported the Örebro party because they have strong opinions and you support people with strong opinions even when they are bad opinions. (Which is populism, by the way - it's another way of saying you're a populist.) If you give money to Mullvad you're giving a percentage of it through to Örebro. That's why people are boycotting Mullvad. No I don't think it's a honeypot, unless it's a total lie to begin with. If it's true, it's an unforced error by Mullvad. There are other VPNs you can use that allow port forwarding. > I think you've decided something you don't like is bad and now are trying to tie other things you don't like to it? This is against guidelines.
  - dijit 3mo ago
    I support the co-founder - I believe that he would defend my views that he would disagree with more now that I know he has disagreeable views himself and runs a platform based on free speech -- it gives him "skin in the game" for privacy; and the more I see people screaming about how everything that isn't 100% globalism is actually a Nazi is making me even more sympathetic to him. Can you show me where you got the idea of mass surveillance and AI (since you're claiming you didn't make it up)
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      > everything that isn't 100% globalism My dude, he wants to expel all non-Swedes from Sweden.
      - dijit 3mo ago
        From what I've learned (from these threads) the leader of the Orebro party said he wanted to expel those who commit crimes, even if they were born here (if they have no "natural" connection to Sweden). It's an extreme position. Yet it's also now two degrees moved from the founder of Mullvad; who has not expressed these opinions nor issued direct support for them specifically, nor do they imply all non-Swedes as you imply. I'm not sure how you go from "Mullvad founder gave money to a party" to "that party leader said something extreme about criminals and welfare-abuse" to "the mullvad founder wants all non-Swedes deported".
        inigyou 3mo ago
        My guy, he contributed 70% of the party's funds. That's pretty strong support. And he's smart enough to keep an apparent firewall between him and the party to deflect criticism. What is a "natural connection to Sweden"?
        dijit 3mo ago
        Having a home, kids, a pet, a job and being part of a community that is integrated into the social fabric of the country. "Values" get thrown around a lot, but equality of women and acceptance of homosexuality is a big deal to Swedes, so if you shun those things then I wouldn't expect acceptance.

streetfighter64 3mo ago

> I wasn't alive How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?

dijit 3mo ago
I'd feel hungry and on the way to work I might grab something from one of the many Espresso Houses in Malmö, I know this because I've skipped breakfast many times and it's just one aspect to my environment. A better question might be: A) How does it feel to have the president of the galactic federation of planets outlaw cybernetic implants because they are used to harvest cloned Mycinian DNA illegally - despite such a law preventing the commercial use of home based medical technology. or B) How did it feel to be Plato, during the ostraca. -- My point is: I know that the environment my great-granfather lived in is quite literally unknowable to me, despite a living person being able to talk to me about his experiences - it was also barely knowable for him.. "you had to be there". The same way trying to explain to someone about our upbringing (no cell phones, paper maps, you had to stick to your arrangements because once out of the home there was no communication possible) is very difficult, imagine not having cars, air travel, all news being via the paper (which not everyone purchased) and everyone you know is a labourer. In that context, with a global political landscape, and a local-first community of folks who could only articulate ideas amongst themselves... Man, I have no fucking clue how I would feel. Just like they'd have no clue about the concept of Espresso House or what would be possible in 2026. History is really really easy in hindsight. If I have conservative opinions of any sort it's because I prefer to choose options personally that leave us with more choices later. If this level ethnic replacement happens to be wrong, then it's already too late to do anything about it. That's just true, 15% of a country is already here and there's nothing anyone can do about this humanely. Asking me how I'd feel if I was born 100 years ago is extremely uncompelling, because I could ask you how my family from then would think about things are today and I can guarantee that they're not going to agree with your perspective on the right approach.
- streetfighter64 3mo ago
  You're comparing something that happened 100 years ago with something that happened 2400 years ago (also, what does "during the pottery (ostraca)" refer to?) and some science fiction scenario? Does Sweden not include WWII in the history education anymore, or are students just not recommended to try to insert themselves in the stories at all? > the environment my great-granfather lived in is quite literally unknowable to me Okay, not many things seem to be knowable to you then.