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To be even more nuanced, the land is not typically taken entirely. The more typical solution is an easement with compensation for the land owner to cover the re
by bob1029 3mo ago
To be even more nuanced, the land is not typically taken entirely. The more typical solution is an easement with compensation for the land owner to cover the reduction in utility.
Transmission lines are pretty harmless when considering things that could be built instead. Zero emissions, silent, no illumination, etc.
- oliwarner 3mo agoPretty harmless? That's easy to say until it's your land and view that now has pylons and restrictions dumped on it.
- bob1029 3mo agoI've got overhead transmission lines in my back yard right now. It's really not a big deal. I've got a garden and a small shed that are directly underneath the lines. I have no perceptible loss in utility. Every now and then, someone will visit my property but I don't have to interact with them. The nature of the easement can make a big difference. Oftentimes the power lines will be colocated with gas pipelines which tend to impose stricter requirements on land owners. It's a lot easier to do things like excavate when you can see what you aren't supposed to hit.
- madaxe_again 3mo agoDitto. They come and trim my trees for me and pay me £300 a year for the privilege. I really don’t mind, barely even notice the lines are there.
- M95D 3mo ago> Transmission lines are pretty harmless Debatable. Some studies found this: https://emfradar.com/articles/power-lines-childhood-leukemia https://emfradar.com/articles/power-lines-childhood-leukemia Then some other studies mostly invalidated that. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41416-018-0097-7 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41416-018-0097-7
- inigyou 3mo agoThere's a lot of people saying they aren't harmless but there's no credible evidence they aren't harmless. It's like flat earth, you know, there's no evidence the earth is flat.
- steele 3mo agoIs the nuance you're contributing here substantiated in the proposals being discussed in the article? Transmission lines emit EMF which seem pretty harmless unless you're a pollinator or migratory bird. Maybe the home owners are just making a fuss so they can get a better payout to improve the amenities in the bunkers that comprise their subterranean community of concrete beneath the barren badlands of the over-world. At the very least, they should ensure respirators and gaussmeters for able-bodied coal miner minors.
- johndough 3mo ago> Zero emissions, silent, no illumination, etc. Mostly silent. High voltage transmission lines may have a low-frequency hum. You have to stand directly under them to hear it though.
- inigyou 3mo agoWhich you would, if they were crossing over your house. Probably not worse than many other mundane things though.
- Gracana 3mo agoI was looking at buying a house with big transmission lines crossing over the property. It was a misty not-quite-raining day when I went to look at it, and you could hear the lines crackling and humming the whole time you were outside. I figured I’d have to give up ham radio if I moved there, ha.
- bigfishrunning 3mo agoThere's a high-voltage line that crosses over a park (with soccer fields etc...) near me, and you can hear it crackling whenever you're there. I'm sure it's a noisy radio environment.
- elzbardico 3mo agoOver time as some dirty coats the insulators, and on high humidity days some kind of crackling is clearly audible in a fairly wide radio close to the towers. Also, transmission towers are usually the best lightning rods for miles in a given location, and it is fucking unsettling to live close to them during storms. Not to mention they are an eye sore.
- throwaway667555 3mo agoThey buzz loudly and increase leukemia.
- left-struck 3mo agoSources?
- crote 3mo agoThe buzzing is pretty obvious when it is rainy or misty. I passed a power line during my high school bike commute, it never failed to amuse me. I wouldn't call it "loud" though: noticeable, but the average traffic noise is far worse. The leukemia is bullshit, though. The numbers are too small to make any kind of definitive statement, or to properly compensate for things like socioeconomic factors - plenty of other potential causes on the rural farms and poor urban neighborhoods where we usually build power lines, after all.
- AnthonyMouse 3mo ago> The leukemia is bullshit, though. The numbers are too small to make any kind of definitive statement, or to properly compensate for things like socioeconomic factors - plenty of other potential causes on the rural farms and poor urban neighborhoods where we usually build power lines, after all. This seems like the thing where people use the phrase "there is no evidence of" to imply that something has been disproven when what it actually means is that we don't know enough to say one way or the other.
- left-struck 3mo agoBasically I just thought the leukaemia claim is quite an extraordinary claim, which requires extraordinary evidence if you’re trying to convince a sensible person of your claim. I know a thing or two about rf, emf and electricity in general and I don’t see why or how these hv wires would cause cancer, or if they did why would it be specifically leukaemia. I’m fully aware though that before we knew about nuclear radiation people would have had similar thoughts about some random rare earth metal causing cancer if you’re not even touching it. So point is, I’ll wait for the proof before I’m convinced, or attempt to convince others. I’ve also anecdotally noticed that people are concerned about many things where there is like very marginal evidence that maybe this is slightly bad for you but then regularly engage in very well known risky behaviour like eating big macs or driving cars. I might be speaking from personal experience.
- drysine 3mo agoWhat's the voltage of power lines to datacenters?
- downrightmike 3mo agoLots. They are trying to build Gigawatt transmission to these
- drysine 3mo agoSeems dangerous in case the line breaks or short-circuits.
- giantg2 3mo agoThese are not silent nor zero emission. These do emit large electromagnetic fields that interfere with some electronics. There are also some studies that show higher risk of childhood leukemia and potentially negative affects to sensitive groups such as people with neurodiverse conditions. They also tend to hum and crackle. At times you will have helicopters doing line work too.
- thejokeisonme 3mo agoHaving zero knowledge about these studies I have high credence they are baloney.
- giantg2 3mo agoWhich ones - the ones that show an association or the ones that don't?
- sznio 3mo agoyou've never walked under a high voltage power line? even driving a car under it you can hear the radio being weird. i assume it can make life miserable for a ham radio enthusiast. also, walking beneath one, you can hear the crackle, which is why nobody places a power line above homes. as for them causing leukemia i'd not consider that realistic
- jasonjayr 3mo agoMy home is like 1500 ft from HV lines. According to OSM, they are 115kV. Some of my neighbors are even closer. These things are totally built near homes.
- sznio 3mo agonear sure, i live in a city and people have lines right next to their homes, but never right above them because that's what causes issues.
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- UltraSane 3mo agoMy parents got $7000 when the state wanted to shave their hill for better visibility around a road curve. They lost a pretty cherry tree.