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> the real answer might very well be a musician or filmmaker, not a writer. Walter Disney, obviously. Well, it will probably take at least another century for

> the real answer might very well be a musician or filmmaker, not a writer. Walter Disney, obviously. Well, it will probably take at least another century for the fact to hit.

rayiner 2mo ago
I think that’s correct. One way to look at it: when the Greek world expanded geographically, the new people tried to connect themselves with the Homeric stories (as did the Romans). Whose stories serve that function today? Disney.
- GolfPopper 2mo ago
  Really? Advertising/Marketing aside, "What's up doc?" would seem to have a much bigger share of the zeitgeist, even today, than the Mouse.
  - oliculipolicula 2mo ago
    Hollywood may only think that there are any Pacific Islanders today who want to be Auliʻi Cravalho, but every allied nation hopes to get their own Emmett Brown?
dragontamer 2mo ago
Stan Lee probably had more influence than Walt Disney in terms of how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees us. Walt Disney is overwhelmingly about older stories (Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty), and not anything I feel distinctly "American". The most popular and timeless properties out of Disney (ex: Mickey Mouse) aren't really telling stories or setting cultural trends IMO. Meanwhile, Superman and Spiderman (Okay, I know Stan Lee only partially had influence on Spiderman...) are closer to what people see as distinctly "American".
- LarsDu88 2mo ago
  You mean Jack Kirby right? LoL
  - dragontamer 2mo ago
    Its not like Walt Disney personally wrote or drew all his stuff either. Stan Lee was closer to actually making the story than Walt Disney. But yeah, Jack Kirby would be closer than the other two.
    - LarsDu88 2mo ago
      cough Ub Iwerks
- breve 2mo ago
  Who would win in a fight between Stan Lee, Jim Henson, and Walt Disney? Maybe Epic Rap Battles of History has the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU
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- jasonfarnon 2mo ago
  "Meanwhile, Superman and Spiderman (Okay, I know Stan Lee only partially had influence on Spiderman...) " it's not like he had anything to do with superman
- coldtea 2mo ago
  >Stan Lee probably had more influence than Walt Disney in terms of how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees us. Seriously doubt it. Both "how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees them" was established way before both the MCU and before superhero comics became anything else than a preoccupation of the nerdy niche. In the 60s, and 70s, and 80s, few fucks were given around the world for the Marvel comic universe (they still sold somewhat, just not that important culturally), and it was definitely not how people got to perceive the US: hollywood, the western, rock n' roll, all those were 100x more important. And Disney was way more important than Marvel at the time too.

> the real answer might very well be a musician or filmmaker, not a writer. Walter Disney, obviously. Well, it will probably take at least another century for the fact to hit.

rayiner 2mo ago

I think that’s correct. One way to look at it: when the Greek world expanded geographically, the new people tried to connect themselves with the Homeric stories (as did the Romans). Whose stories serve that function today? Disney.

GolfPopper 2mo ago
Really? Advertising/Marketing aside, "What's up doc?" would seem to have a much bigger share of the zeitgeist, even today, than the Mouse.
- oliculipolicula 2mo ago
  Hollywood may only think that there are any Pacific Islanders today who want to be Auliʻi Cravalho, but every allied nation hopes to get their own Emmett Brown?

dragontamer 2mo ago

Stan Lee probably had more influence than Walt Disney in terms of how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees us. Walt Disney is overwhelmingly about older stories (Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty), and not anything I feel distinctly "American". The most popular and timeless properties out of Disney (ex: Mickey Mouse) aren't really telling stories or setting cultural trends IMO. Meanwhile, Superman and Spiderman (Okay, I know Stan Lee only partially had influence on Spiderman...) are closer to what people see as distinctly "American".

LarsDu88 2mo ago
You mean Jack Kirby right? LoL
- dragontamer 2mo ago
  Its not like Walt Disney personally wrote or drew all his stuff either. Stan Lee was closer to actually making the story than Walt Disney. But yeah, Jack Kirby would be closer than the other two.
  - LarsDu88 2mo ago
    cough Ub Iwerks
breve 2mo ago
Who would win in a fight between Stan Lee, Jim Henson, and Walt Disney? Maybe Epic Rap Battles of History has the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXBJIZ1NXFU
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jasonfarnon 2mo ago
"Meanwhile, Superman and Spiderman (Okay, I know Stan Lee only partially had influence on Spiderman...) " it's not like he had anything to do with superman
coldtea 2mo ago
>Stan Lee probably had more influence than Walt Disney in terms of how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees us. Seriously doubt it. Both "how Americans see themselves and how people around the world sees them" was established way before both the MCU and before superhero comics became anything else than a preoccupation of the nerdy niche. In the 60s, and 70s, and 80s, few fucks were given around the world for the Marvel comic universe (they still sold somewhat, just not that important culturally), and it was definitely not how people got to perceive the US: hollywood, the western, rock n' roll, all those were 100x more important. And Disney was way more important than Marvel at the time too.