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Always nice to see more open-weights in the heavy model class. I can only hope this trend continues, causing OpenAI and Anthropic to crash and burn.

blfr 3mo ago
As much as I dislike 'em, this sounds mean spirited. And Alibaba admits in this very tweet that Fable is next level (it is).
- Hamuko 3mo ago
  I want as much misfortune as possible to befall OpenAI and Sam Altman after what they did to the memory market.
  - brap 3mo ago
    How dare they buy things
    - undersuit 3mo ago
      But they didn't. The deal to buy 40% of the world's memory never happened after the price increases the news generated.
      - brap 3mo ago
        How dare they not buy things
        gunalx 3mo ago
        How dare they claim to buy stuff to boost their standing while actually just faking the entire thing.
- notnullorvoid 3mo ago
  I dislike their practices, but the main motivation for hoping they'll crash is that I think their immense overvaluation posses too much economic risk.
yeodev 3mo ago
Same, you can think of China whatever you want but they're really good at giving big tech a reality check when it comes to AI. We now got a pretty wide range of open-weight models (from DeepSeek and MiMo over to Kimi K3, Qwen 3.8 & GLM-5.2) and I think it's most important that there's a variance not only between quality / intelligence and also cost. I mean even the cheapest option for Luna is still more expensive than anything DS or MiMo is offering right now and I think a new Ministral model would also hit hard there because we also need some variance in model sources, we can't rely only on the US and China.
- glimshe 3mo ago
  "China" isn't giving anything. These are Chinese companies leveraging their best competitive strategy at the moment: competing on price.
  - derektank 3mo ago
    Those Chinese companies are being funded by a substantial amount of government financing, I think at least 20% has come directly from state owned investment firms or government entities and probably more now. You obviously lose precision when you’re talking in sweeping terms like “China” but I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable in this case. The Chinese government is playing a much more direct role in AI investment and research than other nations.
    - glimshe 3mo ago
      Nonetheless, the government isn't giving it away either. If China had a monopoly on the technology, or simply winning in quality, open weight models would never have seen the light of the day. I just want to dispell the silly notion of altruism from China in this conversation.
      - rikima_ 3mo ago
        Bad chyna
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catigula 3mo ago
Damaging American AI companies just means that China has the lead with closed models. China isn’t an altruistic state. They’re an aggressor in many fields, economic and otherwise, and this one of them.

blfr 3mo ago

As much as I dislike 'em, this sounds mean spirited. And Alibaba admits in this very tweet that Fable is next level (it is).

Hamuko 3mo ago
I want as much misfortune as possible to befall OpenAI and Sam Altman after what they did to the memory market.
- brap 3mo ago
  How dare they buy things
  - undersuit 3mo ago
    But they didn't. The deal to buy 40% of the world's memory never happened after the price increases the news generated.
    - brap 3mo ago
      How dare they not buy things
      - gunalx 3mo ago
        How dare they claim to buy stuff to boost their standing while actually just faking the entire thing.
notnullorvoid 3mo ago
I dislike their practices, but the main motivation for hoping they'll crash is that I think their immense overvaluation posses too much economic risk.

yeodev 3mo ago

Same, you can think of China whatever you want but they're really good at giving big tech a reality check when it comes to AI. We now got a pretty wide range of open-weight models (from DeepSeek and MiMo over to Kimi K3, Qwen 3.8 & GLM-5.2) and I think it's most important that there's a variance not only between quality / intelligence and also cost. I mean even the cheapest option for Luna is still more expensive than anything DS or MiMo is offering right now and I think a new Ministral model would also hit hard there because we also need some variance in model sources, we can't rely only on the US and China.

glimshe 3mo ago
"China" isn't giving anything. These are Chinese companies leveraging their best competitive strategy at the moment: competing on price.
- derektank 3mo ago
  Those Chinese companies are being funded by a substantial amount of government financing, I think at least 20% has come directly from state owned investment firms or government entities and probably more now. You obviously lose precision when you’re talking in sweeping terms like “China” but I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable in this case. The Chinese government is playing a much more direct role in AI investment and research than other nations.
  - glimshe 3mo ago
    Nonetheless, the government isn't giving it away either. If China had a monopoly on the technology, or simply winning in quality, open weight models would never have seen the light of the day. I just want to dispell the silly notion of altruism from China in this conversation.
    - rikima_ 3mo ago
      Bad chyna
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catigula 3mo ago

Damaging American AI companies just means that China has the lead with closed models. China isn’t an altruistic state. They’re an aggressor in many fields, economic and otherwise, and this one of them.