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It sometimes feels to me that cloud AI providers have convinced people that cloud AI is worth it because of all the ways people have been able to use cloud AI t
by dofm 3mo ago
It sometimes feels to me that cloud AI providers have convinced people that cloud AI is worth it because of all the ways people have been able to use cloud AI to write blog posts about using cloud AI to make cloud AI more efficient for something that they haven't shipped yet and aren't really ready to talk about.
- oggreen 3mo agoThe reality however is that unless you're spending tens of thousands on hardware or setting up cloud instances you can't run anything near close to state of the art. In almost all cases right now, a subscription with a cloud AI wins.
- fragmede 3mo ago> In almost all cases right now, What sort of benchmark or test would convince you that "almost all" is more like "your weird set of cases" and nowhere near "almost all"?
- inigyou 3mo agoOr "not even your cases but you got psychosed to think it does"
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- resonious 3mo agoTrust me there are plenty of us using cloud AI to actually ship stuff. We just aren't writing blog posts about it.
- dominotw 3mo agowhat did you ship?
- stavros 3mo agoWhenever I've answered this question, the reply was always "this is shit", so I don't bother now. Bad faith questions just shouldn't be answered.
- Forgeties79 3mo agoThis just feels like a bad faith comment designed to spike the conversation entirely.
- speedster217 3mo agoAgreed. AI has been "just trust me bro" for so long. People need to show receipts instead of spreading vague hype
- Forgeties79 3mo agoEspecially given the wildly unsustainable rate of investment.
- dominotw 3mo agoshipped = paying real users ( or a non profit with users) doesnt matter what subjective opinions are. shipped is not pushing something on github.
- dofm 3mo agoMy definition would be "users waiting for it who received it"; that's the one that fits the broadest real world definition of the word. Not everything is an organisation, not everyone is paying.
- jscottbee 3mo agoI agree there... I hate the posts that rattle on about non-real-world work. Real world now (for me anyway) is maintaining legacy code, fixing issues, and new development. Now, some of the problems others have with AI are super crappy prompts with no real info other than "do this". I look at myself now more as a software designer and an architect, and the AI as a paid consultant. I give detailed specs and designs. The models are getting better at real deep code and legacy, but there are still holes. BUT give the AI a fighting chance with real detail in the prompts.
- nojito 3mo agoCloud AI is 100% worth it. We've been able to do so much more with so much less.
- inigyou 3mo agoExamples?
- nojito 3mo agoa massive number of data engineering agents. We are able to stand up, test, audit, deploy data pipelines much more efficiently with the foundational models.
- inigyou 3mo agoExamples of them being useful?
- breuleux 3mo agoPart of the issue with "shipping" AI-generated code is, what's the value of shipping something that your prospective customers could just make for themselves? Shipping a product used to be the gold standard of value, but I'm not sure it is anymore, the zeitgeist just yet has to catch up. I think it does have pretty good value when you are your own customer, because you can make exactly what you need. For instance, I'm using it to make a web playground in which I can test the board game I'm designing, instead of asking people to pay for, and install Tabletop Simulator. I'm satisfied. I can tell the code sucks without even looking at it. But I wouldn't have had the time to do this myself, the token cost isn't prohibitive, and it works fine.
- shepherdjerred 3mo agoMost people still prefer products over building their own thing, even if the barrier is lower. As an example consumer 3D printing hasn’t had much impact on manufacturing
- dofm 3mo agoThis is a bit of a year-of-linux-on-the-desktop question. Desktop 3D printers are tools; I know many people using them to support their making. And they've utterly changed manufacturing on another level (simply because of their ability to surface a prototype). It will get better and better and better and still never replace mass production, but mass production will be changed by it. Not least because of the fundamental shift in availability of the tools to make tools. The productised desktop CNC market is wild and it owes almost its entire existence to the change in the market driven by 3D printing.
- shepherdjerred 3mo agoSorry I am not saying that X technology is not important, transformative, etc. I am saying that the average person is going to want to just have things that work. They are not going to want to have a hobby of using X technology. It doesn't matter how much you lower the barrier to entry on making apps, websites, games, whatever. Most people are just going to want something that is ready and off-the-shelf. I mean, why do people pick an iPhone over a cheaper Android even if they are functionally similar? Aside from the (valid) green-bubble/social aspect, it's a much more polished product.
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- seanmcdirmid 3mo agoPeople busy building shippable things are generally too busy to blog about it. It is selection bias in its most classical meaning.
- parasti 3mo agoYes, it's the Youtube phenomenon - often when looking for domain-specific videos on Youtube I tend to find videos by professional Youtubers not videos by professional domain specialists (overlap is very rare but occasionally you can find a domain specialist Youtuber who applies their domain knowledge to making Youtube videos).
- Xalutiono 3mo agoMy companie spends a few million per month in token. For me personally, the only reason why i don't use it 24/7 is cost. Token costs, energy cost, usage limit due to token/subscription cost.