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Alibaba isn’t really the Chinese government though, or are you saying Americans will think that ever since Jack Ma was harmonized?

traceroute66 3mo ago
> are you saying Americans will think that I wasn't saying anything about what Americans would think. I was saying about what they would inevitably be told by US politicians and by US AI companies. If you were a sales-rep or marketeer at a US AI company, I bet you would be using the old "evil communists" routine in relation to any closed Chinese model. I was saying that by releasing as open weights, the company has removed that line of argument. Clearly I was a bit broad in my use of "the Chinese" when in this case it was, as you say, a Chinese company.
- seanmcdirmid 3mo ago
  US politicians are all over the map on this, but they aren’t really talking about Chinese AI much, it’s not as visible or tangible to most Americans like TikTok was.
derektank 3mo ago
I think trying to tease apart the private and public sector is very hard in China. Setting aside state owned enterprises, even nominally private companies that employ at least 3 CCP members are required by law to form a party committee within the company to represent party interests. And given the party functionally is the government, you have a situation where the government has representatives inside every major private company. There’s no obvious parallel to this in western countries.
elmer2 3mo ago
Any large company in China is only allowed to get this way by direct control from the CCP. This isn't really anything nee and I thought it was common knowledge by now.
- asdewqqwer 3mo ago
  I thought it should always be common knowledge that there is no way for any organization of 100m people to have one single mind.
  - varjag 3mo ago
    There are numerous institutions that have agenda transcending individuals. Communist parties are very prominent among them.

traceroute66 3mo ago

> are you saying Americans will think that I wasn't saying anything about what Americans would think. I was saying about what they would inevitably be told by US politicians and by US AI companies. If you were a sales-rep or marketeer at a US AI company, I bet you would be using the old "evil communists" routine in relation to any closed Chinese model. I was saying that by releasing as open weights, the company has removed that line of argument. Clearly I was a bit broad in my use of "the Chinese" when in this case it was, as you say, a Chinese company.

seanmcdirmid 3mo ago
US politicians are all over the map on this, but they aren’t really talking about Chinese AI much, it’s not as visible or tangible to most Americans like TikTok was.

derektank 3mo ago

I think trying to tease apart the private and public sector is very hard in China. Setting aside state owned enterprises, even nominally private companies that employ at least 3 CCP members are required by law to form a party committee within the company to represent party interests. And given the party functionally is the government, you have a situation where the government has representatives inside every major private company. There’s no obvious parallel to this in western countries.

elmer2 3mo ago

Any large company in China is only allowed to get this way by direct control from the CCP. This isn't really anything nee and I thought it was common knowledge by now.

asdewqqwer 3mo ago
I thought it should always be common knowledge that there is no way for any organization of 100m people to have one single mind.
- varjag 3mo ago
  There are numerous institutions that have agenda transcending individuals. Communist parties are very prominent among them.