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Those resets and the removal of the 5-hour usage limit are quietly anchoring me to a much higher usage baseline. I've stopped rationing and just spawn a bunch o

by Lwrless 3mo ago

Those resets and the removal of the 5-hour usage limit are quietly anchoring me to a much higher usage baseline. I've stopped rationing and just spawn a bunch of agents to work at whatever pace I want, because there always seem to be more resets on the way (at least true for the last week). And now I am actually worried about that if one day they just stop doing so, my "normal" workflow will suddenly exceed the limit, and upgrading will feel like a step backwards.

sebjones 3mo ago
All these resets are given because of rival competition. When they win the market, we are going to be squeezed $$$.
- trollbridge 3mo ago
  If they try to engage in monopolistic pricing, I'll simply start paying for GLM-5.2, K3, DeepSeek et al.
  - dom3k 3mo ago
    I cannot recommend enough OpenCode Go, which for 10 bucks a month lets you use all of them with pretty hefty limits. Use it while it lasts
    - trollbridge 3mo ago
      $5 with a referral code for the first month. You get $60 worth of usage. It’s too good to be true, yet it is.
- lwansbrough 3mo ago
  Can anyone explain how you “win” the market of super intelligence? Particularly with open weights models now rivaling the frontier, it seems like a race to the bottom even if the prices don’t yet reflect that.
  - reactordev 3mo ago
    You hit the nail on the head. It's a race to the bottom.
    - BoorishBears 3mo ago
      Everyone is raising the bottom. Kimi got 60% more expensive during the 2.x cycle despite staying the exact same size. Now K3 is almost 6x the cost of the original K2 checkpoint, and while the parameter count finally jumped, it's still an extremely sparse MoE and definitely does not cost 6x what the original K2 checkpoint did to host at scale. Race to the bottom only takes real effect when there's a cap to the capabilities, otherwise everyone races to the bottom of a rising target (how economically valuable the tokens are)
      - NikxDa 3mo ago
        But Kimi (at least say) will release their weights. So surely, if their prices are too high, somebody else will host it cheaper?
        BoorishBears 3mo ago
        a) Why and b) With what compute? "Why" as in, why take lower margins when Moonshot currently can't service all the demand for the model anyways. Based on past models no one is going to massively undercut Moonshot: few have the chops to serve it as efficiently as Moonshot and of those few, most of them don't go for being the cheapest, they go for being fast + reliable (think Together, Fireworks). You get what you pay for applies very much with how many axes there are to serving these increasingly large models. - And for "with what compute": as the value of a token goes up, what people are willing to pay for compute is going up. Every once in a while I'll see a story about falling rental rates, but with even slightly more established clouds I've been seeing availability get worse and worse over time. I'm pretty sure the only reason the highly informal indexes don't reflect this is because every neocloud trying to cash in on an NVIDIA Inception discount kicks off by selling unrealistically cheap compute for a bit.
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- ssl-3 3mo ago
  Perhaps. But that hasn't happened, and it may or may not ever happen; we don't know the future. All we know is the past and the present. And that today, we have tokens to burn.
- Razengan 3mo ago
  This is actually what I've started to feel a vague nagging concern about as well.. Say what you will, there's no way I'm going back to non-AI assisted coding. Even though I don't use AI to generate code or assets, it's great for reviews and brainstorming etc. What if OpenAI/Anthropic decide to do a Netflix/Spotify move and pull the rug out from under us one day? Like skyrocketing the price, or limiting peasants to older models (because Glorious Leader said so), or maybe some leak comes out that they've been spying on us all along.
  - lima 3mo ago
    It's a competitive market. Kimi K3 has almost reached parity with Opus.
kristianc 3mo ago
Quietly eh?
irishkid75th 2mo ago
This guy knows what he's talking about
proxyguru 2mo ago
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by Lwrless 3mo ago

sebjones 3mo ago

All these resets are given because of rival competition. When they win the market, we are going to be squeezed $$$.

trollbridge 3mo ago
If they try to engage in monopolistic pricing, I'll simply start paying for GLM-5.2, K3, DeepSeek et al.
- dom3k 3mo ago
  I cannot recommend enough OpenCode Go, which for 10 bucks a month lets you use all of them with pretty hefty limits. Use it while it lasts
  - trollbridge 3mo ago
    $5 with a referral code for the first month. You get $60 worth of usage. It’s too good to be true, yet it is.
lwansbrough 3mo ago
Can anyone explain how you “win” the market of super intelligence? Particularly with open weights models now rivaling the frontier, it seems like a race to the bottom even if the prices don’t yet reflect that.
- reactordev 3mo ago
  You hit the nail on the head. It's a race to the bottom.
  - BoorishBears 3mo ago
    Everyone is raising the bottom. Kimi got 60% more expensive during the 2.x cycle despite staying the exact same size. Now K3 is almost 6x the cost of the original K2 checkpoint, and while the parameter count finally jumped, it's still an extremely sparse MoE and definitely does not cost 6x what the original K2 checkpoint did to host at scale. Race to the bottom only takes real effect when there's a cap to the capabilities, otherwise everyone races to the bottom of a rising target (how economically valuable the tokens are)
    - NikxDa 3mo ago
      But Kimi (at least say) will release their weights. So surely, if their prices are too high, somebody else will host it cheaper?
      - BoorishBears 3mo ago
        a) Why and b) With what compute? "Why" as in, why take lower margins when Moonshot currently can't service all the demand for the model anyways. Based on past models no one is going to massively undercut Moonshot: few have the chops to serve it as efficiently as Moonshot and of those few, most of them don't go for being the cheapest, they go for being fast + reliable (think Together, Fireworks). You get what you pay for applies very much with how many axes there are to serving these increasingly large models. - And for "with what compute": as the value of a token goes up, what people are willing to pay for compute is going up. Every once in a while I'll see a story about falling rental rates, but with even slightly more established clouds I've been seeing availability get worse and worse over time. I'm pretty sure the only reason the highly informal indexes don't reflect this is because every neocloud trying to cash in on an NVIDIA Inception discount kicks off by selling unrealistically cheap compute for a bit.
- 3mo ago
ssl-3 3mo ago
Perhaps. But that hasn't happened, and it may or may not ever happen; we don't know the future. All we know is the past and the present. And that today, we have tokens to burn.
Razengan 3mo ago
This is actually what I've started to feel a vague nagging concern about as well.. Say what you will, there's no way I'm going back to non-AI assisted coding. Even though I don't use AI to generate code or assets, it's great for reviews and brainstorming etc. What if OpenAI/Anthropic decide to do a Netflix/Spotify move and pull the rug out from under us one day? Like skyrocketing the price, or limiting peasants to older models (because Glorious Leader said so), or maybe some leak comes out that they've been spying on us all along.
- lima 3mo ago
  It's a competitive market. Kimi K3 has almost reached parity with Opus.

kristianc 3mo ago

Quietly eh?

irishkid75th 2mo ago

This guy knows what he's talking about

proxyguru 2mo ago

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