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Your comment assumes they have stolen some propietary info or trade secrets but it hasn't been determined yet that they have, no?

by aprilthird2021 3mo ago

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> it hasn't been determined yet that they have Legally, no. Reasonably, for purposes of discussion, I think it has. The “LOL” dumbfuck who airlifted files into OpenAI isn’t particularly ambiguous [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-engineer-s-lol-moment-set-stage-for-legal-fight-with-apple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-en...
- aprilthird2021 3mo ago
  It is ambiguous still at this stage though. There's no proof he used this info at his job or that he was directed to take it by anyone (he may have thought it helpful to his career in a way OpenAI never asked for or even invited).
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > There's no proof he used this info at his job LOL Liu hasn’t—to my knowledge—been fired. When OpenAI was notified of his conduct, they didn’t confidentially settle. Instead, OpenAI’s legal went cold on Apple. It’s not legally certain. But you really have to stretch the facts to make this seem ambiguous.
    - aprilthird2021 3mo ago
      He should not be fired while trials are going on to determine if his conduct was criminal, against policies or not. That would open them up to wrongful termination if he prevails in court. Why would they settle if they never directed employees to do any of these actions?
  - shimman 3mo ago
    The court of public opinion is a thing, and the onus isn't on us to not trust a rich tech bro to not be an unethical person. That's on them to fix their image + avoiding jail time. The rest of us are allowed to rightfully laugh at them.
  - freejazz 3mo ago
    But he stole it, no? What's ambiguous about that?
    - aprilthird2021 3mo ago
      He is not OpenAI. I can steal trade secrets from my employer and get a job as a Ben and Jerry's Ice cream scooper, it doesn't mean Ben and Jerry's has stolen those secrets
      - freejazz 3mo ago
        He's getting sued too. If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point.
        aprilthird2021 3mo ago
        > If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point. Did OpenAI do this? And is there proof of it?
        freejazz 3mo ago
        Did you read the complaint? Maybe start there if you're going to be asking questions like this. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28453229-apple-v-openai/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28453229-apple-v-ope...
        aprilthird2021 2mo ago
        That's alleged by Apple and it again is alleged behavior of the employee not of OpenAI itself. Hilarious of you to say "read the complaint" when you don't yourself understand it!

Your comment assumes they have stolen some propietary info or trade secrets but it hasn't been determined yet that they have, no?

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago

> it hasn't been determined yet that they have Legally, no. Reasonably, for purposes of discussion, I think it has. The “LOL” dumbfuck who airlifted files into OpenAI isn’t particularly ambiguous [1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-engineer-s-lol-moment-set-stage-for-legal-fight-with-apple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-11/openai-en...

aprilthird2021 3mo ago
It is ambiguous still at this stage though. There's no proof he used this info at his job or that he was directed to take it by anyone (he may have thought it helpful to his career in a way OpenAI never asked for or even invited).
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > There's no proof he used this info at his job LOL Liu hasn’t—to my knowledge—been fired. When OpenAI was notified of his conduct, they didn’t confidentially settle. Instead, OpenAI’s legal went cold on Apple. It’s not legally certain. But you really have to stretch the facts to make this seem ambiguous.
  - aprilthird2021 3mo ago
    He should not be fired while trials are going on to determine if his conduct was criminal, against policies or not. That would open them up to wrongful termination if he prevails in court. Why would they settle if they never directed employees to do any of these actions?
- shimman 3mo ago
  The court of public opinion is a thing, and the onus isn't on us to not trust a rich tech bro to not be an unethical person. That's on them to fix their image + avoiding jail time. The rest of us are allowed to rightfully laugh at them.
- freejazz 3mo ago
  But he stole it, no? What's ambiguous about that?
  - aprilthird2021 3mo ago
    He is not OpenAI. I can steal trade secrets from my employer and get a job as a Ben and Jerry's Ice cream scooper, it doesn't mean Ben and Jerry's has stolen those secrets
    - freejazz 3mo ago
      He's getting sued too. If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point.
      - aprilthird2021 3mo ago
        > If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point. Did OpenAI do this? And is there proof of it?
        freejazz 3mo ago
        Did you read the complaint? Maybe start there if you're going to be asking questions like this. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28453229-apple-v-openai/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28453229-apple-v-ope...
        aprilthird2021 2mo ago
        That's alleged by Apple and it again is alleged behavior of the employee not of OpenAI itself. Hilarious of you to say "read the complaint" when you don't yourself understand it!