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I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the w
by pembrook 3mo ago
I’m a huge fan of Apple but this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Regardless of whether OpenAI poached some of their talent or is the one in the wrong, Apple has such a massively dominant hardware business (some might say monopoly level in some areas) that for them to be publicly acknowledging how scared they are of OpenAI…it’s just…pathetic.
They’re a $5T company and can’t muster up the motivation to get in the game and compete in the next computing frontier.
Apple fanboys will invent some narrative about them swooping in with the best product as a laggard and claim it’s always their strategy, but I see zero evidence they have the capacity to do that anymore.
The Siri situation is just absolutely pathetic and no amount of bad press about OpenAI is going to change the fact that Apple neglecting Siri for a decade now has been a big F-U to their customers.
- presbyterian 3mo agoThis isn't just them being scared of a competitor because they're able to outperform Apple, according to Apple they have proof of an active plan not just to poach talent, but to get that talent to syphon out information as they leave, as well as former employees keeping Apple hardware and using it to access confidential information. If what Apple claims is true, this is straightforwardly illegal. Could Apple be lying? Maybe, but that's a very risky move.
- pembrook 3mo agoIt totally could be illegal, and I don’t care. Those laws exist to entrench dominant incumbents, and make our economy less dynamic. The history of Silicon Valley and most of its innovation come from this kind of thing, and we eliminated non-competes in California for exactly this reason. Apple having a serious competitor in hardware would be a good thing for consumers all over the world. Apple’s overzealous secrecy culture starts to become insidious once you become such a dominant force in the marketplace. At what point do we allow their innovations to bleed into the rest of humanity and lower their margins so humanity doesn’t pay out a 60% tax to them anymore. I think they’ve made enough profits for investors at this point. Id be happy if my Apple stock went nowhere if it meant 20 other companies could grow and innovate new products off the back of it.
- jamespo 3mo agoSo we should "make our economy more dynamic" by encouraging IP theft which will simultaneously discourage genuine research & development?
- homarp 3mo agoit worked for China, no? (and to develop 5G modem too)
- nomorewords 3mo agoIn china's case it wasn't internal but external
- homarp 3mo agohttps://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2009/tech-trend-shanzai/ https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2009/tech-trend-shanzai/ was internal though
- lowmagnet 3mo agoIn what case is apple a monopoly?
- trollbridge 3mo agoSome people think that being the exclusive supplier of iOS based devices is a “monopoly”.
- vel0city 3mo agoMcDonald's is the exclusive supplier of Big Macs and McNuggets. They're a monopoly.
- covercash 3mo agoAnd they’re the exclusive fast food partner of Monopoly… so they have a Monopoly monopoly?
- vel0city 3mo agoHow deep does this rabbit hole go?
- steve1977 3mo agoOne sells Big Macs... the other Mac minis... there must be a connection.
- vel0city 3mo agoClearly Apple and McDonalds has had a deep level of market collusion on Macs, the FTC should really get involved here and break up this Mac cartel.
- Danox 3mo agoIn and Out Burger is an even bigger monopoly, the way they organize themselves is unfair to the rest of their competition.
- NBJack 3mo agoYou may want to read the related articles first. I'm personally quite anti-Apple on several fronts, but the evidence so far seems damning if it holds up in court.
- jmull 3mo agoYou can’t poach talent, because companies don’t own their employees. You can steal trade secrets, which is what this case is about. (If you’re going to suggest a full rewrite of IP and anti-trust law, you should at least have an understanding of the current situation.)
- thewebguyd 3mo ago> You can steal trade secrets Which goes beyond a civil lawsuit as well, if true, these employees are going to face real, serious criminal charges and possibly jail time. Up to 10 years in federal prison, and Apple has a history of pressing criminal charges. If Liu actually did exploit a vulnerability to bypass Apple's network security, they may also see federal charges for CFAA as well.