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It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. There is still a need for music piracy Even alb

• wodenokoto 3mo ago
  I think the streaming sites are in a difficult position. On one hand I expect access to the worlds music, but on the other hand I also expect not to be drowned in 8bit covers and AI music. They are - to me at least - also an arbiter of music, similarly to how record stores used to be.
  • applfanboysbgon 3mo ago
    > 8bit covers and AI music As someone who loves lsdj... ouch.
  • port11 3mo ago
    If only they had gobs of cash to pay people to curate content… or, I don’t know, AI that can check if something is AI. Or ask uploaders for some kind of proof, since we’re in the age of asking citizens to prove they’re adults. If only there was _something_ they could do!
    • bradly 3mo ago
      I can't speak for other streaming services, but at Apple Music we did pay musical industry professionals a lot of money to do human evaluation of specific searches. We had people with specific deep knowledge of genres and niches. At least in my little corner Apple that was quite a bit of effort put into this.
      • port11 3mo ago
        Kudos to you then, that’s commendable. Maybe it’s a branding choice on Apple’s side to have this curation?
    • antisthenes 3mo ago
      I mean for starters you could clearly label everything that was uploaded/created before 2023/24 and the slopocalypse.
• DaanDL 3mo ago
  What I also miss on Spotify: live mixes.
  • Blahah 3mo ago
    Soundcloud is great for this
    • nirvael 3mo ago
      Kind of, Soundcloud has very aggressive copyright claims which is a problem for mixes.
  • cobbzilla 3mo ago
    for electronic music di.fm has some great live sets. I wish they had more tho
  • marysol5 3mo ago
    themixingbowl.org is a good tracker, lots of radio rips on there too
• bugufu8f83 3mo ago
  >It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. There is still a need for music piracy Ehhh..... I'd wager that pretty much anything that most people want to listen to is on music streaming sites. Streaming is how everyone consumes music these days, so everything new gets released there, and by this point the catalog from the CD era is extensive. Music streaming has more music than What or Oink ever did. Streaming also has huge value add over piracy: it's really easy and convenient, it's better socially (shared playlists), and recommendations/discovery are waaaay better. The vast majority of people do not "need" music piracy any more. If you want ten different versions of every REM album with slightly different mastering then sure, join RED. But it's a niche interest these days. It's a huge contrast to movie piracy, which is thriving and which provides enormous advantages over any other way of watching movies at home, not just in cost and convenience but also in access and in quality.
  • taneq 3mo ago
    Heck, almost everything is available for free on YouTube.
    • konart 3mo ago
      This is very far from truth unless you only listen freshs pop music. And even then it is easy to click a song only to receive "not available in your region".
      • mghackerlady 3mo ago
        no, I've found many an album on youtube that isn't anywhere else and was uploaded by a random guy 10 years ago
        • konart 3mo ago
          Yes, same can be said for Vkontakte, for example (thanks to its piracu police and user uploads) But this is kind of a different story. Likewise at somepoit Russia passed a law that made all soviet movies and cartoons public and obviously studios started using YT as their hostding platform. But this is not a default case. Just a lucky coincidence.
• Hoodedcrow 3mo ago
  > It's important to remember that to this day, streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there. And even if they did, you'd still need to pirate a copy of your collection to own it (as there's a chance not all of it is sold digitally and DRM-less).
• haunter 3mo ago
  Took me 1 min to find the first album in FLAC, probably the other two is available too
  • eisa01 3mo ago
    Only one of them had been available in FLAC, but someone made sure to make the rest available in the last two years, and someone else even put them on YouTube... I had been on the hunt for them a couple years after purchasing The First Winter 25 years ago :)
• IshKebab 3mo ago
  > streaming sites do not have a full archive of the music out there True, but it's way less common to want to listen to a specific piece of music than it is to want to watch a specific film or TV series. There's also way way way more music out there than there is film or TV, so it's again less of a problem. If I want to listen to music I just say "hey google play some music" and it gets some random music based on my tastes that is generally pretty good. I rarely say "hey google play this specific track". Generally when I'm educating my kids ("It's cooooming home, it's coming, England's coming home"). For film and TV there's really not that much good stuff out there. I hear about a specific series, say Severance. Oh it's only available on Apple TV and I only have Netflix, Disney+ and Prime. Piracy it is then!
  • RugnirViking 3mo ago
    That's not my experience at all. My most common workflow in these apps is exactly going to a specific song (artist, album, playlist) and playing it. I can scarcely imagine much use for just asking for "music" - my closest equivalent is putting my extremely large "liked songs" playlist on shuffle which takes me down memory lane etc. I know behaviour like yours is common, however. Spotify themselves say so, and work under that assumption wrt. promoting cheaper (for them) music when they detect passive listening.
  • black_knight 3mo ago
    Less common mayhaps, but some of my more blissful moments are when I sit down in the couch, load up one of my favourite albums, close my eyes and go on a musical journey! What I listen to is definitely not interchangeable. And contrary to TV series, there is no limit to how much I can enjoy it!
• mabedan 3mo ago
  Recently I found out that the Translucent Blues album by Ray Manzarek and Roy Rogers isn't on any legal streaming platform. Only one full-album upload on YouTube. Made me sad.
• mghackerlady 3mo ago
  This! The only album I consider perfect (Regional at Best by Twenty Øne Piløts) is only available on I think Deezer?
• throwaway2037 3mo ago
  > Even albums mentioned in the Norwegian business magazine D2 can be impossible to find in legit channels. I'm confused. Spotify wouldn't work?
  • fl4regun 3mo ago
    spotify doesn't contain every music album released.
    • marysol5 3mo ago
      Nothing does
      • throwaway2037 3mo ago
        I fully expected the GP reply! I am stunned how much music is on Spotify. I'm not here to say that Spotify is perfect, but I can almost never find something that isn't available on Spotify.
• charcircuit 3mo ago
  Just because you can't stream it, that doesn't justify piracy. I buy the CD for music I want to listen to but can't stream. The idea that you are forced to pirate is made up.
  • teach 3mo ago
    I agree with you that you are never "forced" to pirate; you can simply not listen to the missing album. But many many many many excellent albums are not available for sale anywhere at any price. They essentially do not exist, except in the hands of a few collectors. The bands themselves, the creators of said music, want their music to be heard. The fact that they aren't available for sale or streaming is often because a rich bureaucrat can't be bothered, not for any legal reason.
    • charcircuit 3mo ago
      It's okay for media to reach its end of life even if they are excellent. All good things come to an end. There is continually other new good things you can find instead in life.
    • marysol5 3mo ago
      Disagree on the last part, there's plenty of bands that only ever released on CD. Films and Documentaries that only went out on DVD, or even worse. Only ever shown at film festivals and never had actual releases. I've never understood that last one.
• beloch 3mo ago
  Some music is a lot like abandoned video games. It can sometimes be tricky to figure out who owns the rights and, even having done that, more difficult still to track them down and get their permission. Also, it's not a given that the answer will be, "Yes.". If you ask an obscure artist to fill out forms and jump through hoops for 6 cents in streaming royalties, they may tell you to piss off. There are likely many albums that would have met oblivion were it not for piracy.
  • bobdvb 3mo ago
    There was a black and white fantasy TV show called "Adam Adamant Lives!" from the 60s. The BBC always wanted to re-release it but the original contracts for the show were written when no one ever considered re-runs and physical releases. The BBC didn't have rights from the original actors for anything other than the original broadcast. And one of the actors who appeared in a few episodes didn't want it to be shown again, even if they were paid, the BBC didn't want to release a box-set without all the episodes. Eventually they just waited until that actor died and they were then able to release it. I'm lead to believe that in music there are some similar contractual issues. The rights for some artists were for radio, and physical media, but no one considered streaming or downloads because those things didn't exist. So they have to go back and tidy up the contracts to cover their asses. And it doesn't just have to be the headliner on the recording, you may need to get every performer/contributor.
  • qingcharles 3mo ago
    This is where YouTube Music really shines, in a way. It lets every Tom, Dick & Harry upload whatever-the-hell, and as long as it doesn't ping off the major labels' copyright signatures then it stays and YouTube (supposedly) does some accounting around the back to try and figure out where the royalties should go.
• dyauspitr 3mo ago
  The one pirate site I miss more than anything is demonoid. I could find just about anything on there. Is there anything similar now? What happened to all their archives once they were taken offline.
  • burnermore 3mo ago
    Deimos passed away (may he rest in peace) and the old staff members brought it back online. But contents are lost. And it feels malwarish TBH. Archives of cartoons which you can never have now. It was nuts. Waiting for the invite window to open was nuts!!! Good ol' memories.
  • Sammi 3mo ago
    I got access to the original closed demonoid and I could find anything I was looking for there. But I was never able to download anything as they required you to upload before you could download. I had nothing of value to share, so I was just stuck. How did people solve this?
• marysol5 3mo ago
  Neither do pirates, even less so because it's P2P. LOTS of dead torrents out in the world