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> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs

> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs of independence earlier, it could perhaps have built a coalition with OpenAI and Anthropic. This is like saying that Google and Apple might build a coalition to prevent App Store regulation. These are competitors, they all see moral flexibility as an advantage. They're not going to take a moralist stance if their federal protection is predicated on federal cooperation. All of these FAANG businesses have already bent the knee in anticipation of this, xAI is just riding the coattails of the federal quid-pro-quo. When you go to work at a megacorp, you're always leaving your ethics at the door. Yes, there's an attractive pie-in-the-sky fantasy that Apple does care about human rights, or that Google isn't evil, but they're always just lies. I disagree with a lot of GCP's customers, but I'm still shocked that a DeepMind employee would make it this far in the career pipeline before seeing the soylent green get made.

awakeasleep 4mo ago
Competitors often wish they didn't have to compete. For example, a cartel is "a group of independent market participants who collaborate with each other and avoid competition in order to improve profits and dominate the market" It's something that could happen in this world, through the collective action of employees, that corporate strategy can be changed.
- worldthruword 4mo ago
  I hope he becomes the seed crystal around which crystallization of peaceful use of AI happens.
- bigyabai 4mo ago
  > through the collective action of employees, that corporate strategy can be changed. I just don't agree with this. I'd like to, but the corporate strategy is not being set by rank-and-file engineers. Sam Altman, Dario Amodei, Elon Musk - these are the executives that are steering the ship. You can change the culture internally and cause a lot of strife, but typically you don't have control over the strategy. If the executive says you're giving API access to the NSA, then that's what is going to happen.
busterarm 4mo ago
On the upside, I guess maybe DeepMind is hiring. ... I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty. I guess maybe they are okay with it unless you're a western nation. Whatever, there's no room for nuanced opinions anymore in modern online discourse. I'll admit to being a weird outlier on this. I may not like what certain parts of the government are doing but I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat -- they just require in-office and aren't anywhere near me. I'd rather my nation develop the best technologies than let other nations do it. Just look at how far behind the eurozone is by not making the right investments.
- boston_clone 4mo ago
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  - busterarm 4mo ago
    Same to you I guess? The world is not a black and white place. Rigorous self-defense is not evil. I chose to be vulnerable and honest knowing what kind of responses I would get and the guidelines of this board call for assuming good faith. It's discourse like yours that is inflaming and ruining our society. I didn't even endorse any specific actions here, I'm just not meeting your moral threshold based on your interpretation of some pretty thinly-detailed comments that I made. You also can't influence the game if you're not a player so opting out of working in the entire defense industry is probably against your interests.
    - boston_clone 4mo ago
      make no mistake, it’s mindsets like yours that put us on the path we currently tread. > I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat […] being honest and vulnerable about being a shitty person does not beget or earn you any kind of mutual respect. we are simply not the same.
      - 4mo ago
khalic 4mo ago
apple and google are regularly on the same side against eu regulations
pcald 4mo ago
Working anywhere requires ethical compromise… a 2 person company can disagree on ethical questions
- bigyabai 4mo ago
  Ethical compromise is part of participating in society, even the unemployed have to follow the law. Moral compromise is typically avoidable though, and some principled people will hold those morals equal to the value of a job.

awakeasleep 4mo ago

Competitors often wish they didn't have to compete. For example, a cartel is "a group of independent market participants who collaborate with each other and avoid competition in order to improve profits and dominate the market" It's something that could happen in this world, through the collective action of employees, that corporate strategy can be changed.

worldthruword 4mo ago
I hope he becomes the seed crystal around which crystallization of peaceful use of AI happens.
bigyabai 4mo ago
> through the collective action of employees, that corporate strategy can be changed. I just don't agree with this. I'd like to, but the corporate strategy is not being set by rank-and-file engineers. Sam Altman, Dario Amodei, Elon Musk - these are the executives that are steering the ship. You can change the culture internally and cause a lot of strife, but typically you don't have control over the strategy. If the executive says you're giving API access to the NSA, then that's what is going to happen.

busterarm 4mo ago

On the upside, I guess maybe DeepMind is hiring. ... I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty. I guess maybe they are okay with it unless you're a western nation. Whatever, there's no room for nuanced opinions anymore in modern online discourse. I'll admit to being a weird outlier on this. I may not like what certain parts of the government are doing but I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat -- they just require in-office and aren't anywhere near me. I'd rather my nation develop the best technologies than let other nations do it. Just look at how far behind the eurozone is by not making the right investments.

boston_clone 4mo ago
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- busterarm 4mo ago
  Same to you I guess? The world is not a black and white place. Rigorous self-defense is not evil. I chose to be vulnerable and honest knowing what kind of responses I would get and the guidelines of this board call for assuming good faith. It's discourse like yours that is inflaming and ruining our society. I didn't even endorse any specific actions here, I'm just not meeting your moral threshold based on your interpretation of some pretty thinly-detailed comments that I made. You also can't influence the game if you're not a player so opting out of working in the entire defense industry is probably against your interests.
  - boston_clone 4mo ago
    make no mistake, it’s mindsets like yours that put us on the path we currently tread. > I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat […] being honest and vulnerable about being a shitty person does not beget or earn you any kind of mutual respect. we are simply not the same.
    - 4mo ago

khalic 4mo ago

apple and google are regularly on the same side against eu regulations

pcald 4mo ago

Working anywhere requires ethical compromise… a 2 person company can disagree on ethical questions

bigyabai 4mo ago
Ethical compromise is part of participating in society, even the unemployed have to follow the law. Moral compromise is typically avoidable though, and some principled people will hold those morals equal to the value of a job.