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> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details So you buy a device but you ca
by rdtsc 3mo ago
> The company plans to grab four categories: your sleep, your medications, your medical records, and your cycle tracking details
So you buy a device but you can't effectively use half of its features because you'd also have to agree to send them your medical records? Ok then if I refuse, will they refund 50% of the device price since now it's not usable any more?
- sam1r 3mo ago[flagged]
- customguy 3mo ago"snatch with their spider leg like fingers that are dripping with digestive fluid"
- JoshTriplett 3mo ago> I really feel like "grab" is quite condescending By all means, let's use a more appropriate term, like "abuse" or "misappropriate". It's not sufficiently condescending for a company that's trying to train AI on people's private health data.
- mcmcmc 3mo agoDo you think those services are “free”? If you want cloud storage and syncing, it comes at a price. If you’re not paying with money, you’re paying with your privacy and freedom.
- aftbit 3mo agoI sorta assumed they were making money from selling you the device.
- JoshTriplett 3mo agoWe are not required to permit every possible business model to exist. Companies are desperately trying to get their hands on every piece of data they can get to train AI, hence the abominable use of "opt out", which is already horrible even without the added bait-and-switch coercion of "or we'll make the device you already purchased worse". "pay or consent" stunts have already been ruled illegal under the GDPR. This goes even further than that, where you don't even have the option to pay.
- Dylan16807 3mo agoI think syncing kilobytes costs next to nothing and if they can't manage it then let me put in my own URL and I'll host it myself. (And "my own URL" realistically includes Google and Dropbox and OneDrive and iCloud, not just nerd stuff. And even without automatic backups it should hold on to everything and give me an export button.)
- BigTTYGothGF 3mo ago> condescending How can you be "condescending" to a company?
- ben_w 3mo agoSame way as towards a natural person, I recon?
- Barbing 3mo agoSamsung can mitigate the harm and frustration by providing users options. Would you prefer this pathway of their way or the highway?
- ben_w 3mo ago> I really feel like "grab" is quite condescending to a company (Samsung) that provides services at scale (upon/after consent) to help you.. "be better" (simplified..), with direct customization and tailoring. The headline as described sounds to me like they're violating GDPR by tying to force "consent" for a not-strictly-necessary-for-functionality use of health data. The European Data Protection Board has repeatedly stated that consent is (generally) not considered to be "freely given" if there is a significant detriment for refusing it or if the user has no genuine choice. Note however that caveat: as described. There may be some more details which make this not unlawful. Also, actually deleting your data if you don't consent is the kind of thing GDPR requires.
- benjiro29 3mo agoIf your in EU, you contact the local EU consumer group where you buy the device. https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/who-we-are/about-us/ecc-network/ https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/who-we-are/about-us/e... And file a complaint... As that breaches a dozen or more EU laws. If a lot of people do it in all the countries, it becomes a national issue. That is the only way you fix things, and yes, we have had multiple successes with companies taking the piss. Even Samsung can not escape as their have officies in the EU and sell products there. For the folks outside the EU, ... Its a harder fight and you need to look up your local agencies.
- Levitating 3mo agoHow about people just stop buying this crap instead? I've never owned a Samsung and I never will. People need to step out of this abusive relationship instead of trying to improve it. You will never be happy with a device you don't own.
- red-iron-pine 3mo agopoint me to some mature, effective options and I'd consider it. now that you've done that, which ones are cheap, cuz most people are broke af
- Levitating 3mo agoFairPhone, Nothing Phone, Jolla, Motorola, Google Pixel. If you're broke you shouldn't touch Samsung anyway. Better off buying a Xiaomi and unlocking it.
- alyeska 3mo agoReally quick that leads to not being able to buy anything though. Sony has done a bunch of evil things (deleting paid media, hiding rootkits in music CDs). Apple abuses their monopoly to force using their web browser and extort a 30% cut of all purchases. Every car manufacturer is tracking every car they sell and selling that data. Retailers are tracking store visits using everything from face recognition to MAC addresses on cell phones. Boycotting can only do so much. We need regulations to protect people and steep fines for violating them.
- andy99 3mo agoI had a ~2008 vintage Samsung phone with a fingerprint sensor that gave your blood oxygen level (SpO2). One day it told me something similar, I had to agree to send them data or I couldn’t use it. So I never used it again, but yeah they have been abusing their costumers a long time. This is they same company whose tvs take pictures of what you are watching and send them back to Samsung.
- wolvoleo 3mo agoEvery TV does that unfortunately. It's called automatic content recognition but every manufacturer has a different euphemism for it. It's definitely not just Samsung. As bad as this is. The problem is bigger than just them.
- globalnode 3mo agoah so thats where microsoft got the idea for recall from.
- nicce 3mo agoHow is Recall doing these days?
- subscribed 3mo agoEvery TV might do this, not every single one does. Buy TVs which allow you to opt out (at least in one case it was several opt-ins, no opt out per SE).
- skeledrew 3mo agoBuying a device doesn't mean vendor-hosted services are included, unless explicitly stated. This is the kind of thing why they can get away with taking unsolicited actions on people's devices whenever they want. CUT THAT CORD!
- ethin 3mo agoAlso, doesn't them having your medical records subject them to laws like HIPAA? I would think so even if they aren't a medical institution.
- onel 3mo agoI can't wait for self-hosting to become the norm and companies to not have the option to do this anymore