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With the rise of ai, ai-based papers, and ais writing terrible papers; why are you surprised or frustrated? Wouldn’t you want some kind of barrier against slop

by doc_ick 3mo ago

With the rise of ai, ai-based papers, and ais writing terrible papers; why are you surprised or frustrated? Wouldn’t you want some kind of barrier against slop?

fi-le 3mo ago
If you read the article, you'll find that, surprisingly, the delay I was personally observing likely has nothing to do with AI-assisted submissions.
- doc_ick 3mo ago
  “And here we found the culprit. The paper I was submitting belongs under cs.CY, Computers and Society, as I now know after reviewing all the categories more carefully.” I’d think the indirect cause is ai, given its recent bull/glass shop approach.
  - fi-le 3mo ago
    Within the cs.CY category, I only found a slight increase in delays since 2016, that seems to be well within error bars, but it could also be that my sample size was too small.
tokai 3mo ago
The growths of scientific papers published has been understood to be exponential since the early 50s.[0] So it really shouldn't be a surprise. Even without AI. [0] https://garfield.library.upenn.edu/price/pricequantitativemeasures1951.pdf https://garfield.library.upenn.edu/price/pricequantitativeme...
- doc_ick 3mo ago
  Hmm, I am surprised to hear it’s understood to be exponential, but thanks for the reference. I will read up on it.
gdiamos 3mo ago
No, I want arxiv to host the paper, not to review the paper. I wouldn't want my google drive to start telling me my paper was too sloppy. I just want a link.
- Jaxan 3mo ago
  You can also just put a paper on your website (or google drive). If arXiv isn’t working for you, why submit there? Personally, i see no problem with delays, research takes longer than a few days. Reviews take a few weeks or months even.
  - doc_ick 3mo ago
    Ditto with this, if arxiv is just a hosting site then what’s different then a personal GitHub site hosting your paper? Ai and Google would pick it up eventually.
    - gdiamos 3mo ago
      I want a hosted paper to be archived. That means that 10 years from now I don’t want think about making sure the hosting server is up. I also want it to have a standard format for bibliography, DOI, and authors. I agree it isn’t much, but it’s more than I get from a regular web hosting service and it is a standard format for papers so I don’t think it makes sense for every author to roll their own.

by doc_ick 3mo ago

With the rise of ai, ai-based papers, and ais writing terrible papers; why are you surprised or frustrated? Wouldn’t you want some kind of barrier against slop?

fi-le 3mo ago

If you read the article, you'll find that, surprisingly, the delay I was personally observing likely has nothing to do with AI-assisted submissions.

doc_ick 3mo ago
“And here we found the culprit. The paper I was submitting belongs under cs.CY, Computers and Society, as I now know after reviewing all the categories more carefully.” I’d think the indirect cause is ai, given its recent bull/glass shop approach.
- fi-le 3mo ago
  Within the cs.CY category, I only found a slight increase in delays since 2016, that seems to be well within error bars, but it could also be that my sample size was too small.

tokai 3mo ago

The growths of scientific papers published has been understood to be exponential since the early 50s.[0] So it really shouldn't be a surprise. Even without AI. [0] https://garfield.library.upenn.edu/price/pricequantitativemeasures1951.pdf https://garfield.library.upenn.edu/price/pricequantitativeme...

doc_ick 3mo ago
Hmm, I am surprised to hear it’s understood to be exponential, but thanks for the reference. I will read up on it.

gdiamos 3mo ago

No, I want arxiv to host the paper, not to review the paper. I wouldn't want my google drive to start telling me my paper was too sloppy. I just want a link.

Jaxan 3mo ago
You can also just put a paper on your website (or google drive). If arXiv isn’t working for you, why submit there? Personally, i see no problem with delays, research takes longer than a few days. Reviews take a few weeks or months even.
- doc_ick 3mo ago
  Ditto with this, if arxiv is just a hosting site then what’s different then a personal GitHub site hosting your paper? Ai and Google would pick it up eventually.
  - gdiamos 3mo ago
    I want a hosted paper to be archived. That means that 10 years from now I don’t want think about making sure the hosting server is up. I also want it to have a standard format for bibliography, DOI, and authors. I agree it isn’t much, but it’s more than I get from a regular web hosting service and it is a standard format for papers so I don’t think it makes sense for every author to roll their own.