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Modernizing Property Tax Assessments in Allegheny County
- doublepg23 4mo agoUnexpected to see this talked about on HN. I actually went through the Allegheny county “newcomer tax” just some months ago. It was a bit of a strange process to appeal (I lost; my house is very weird for the area). While I do see the benefit for not raising taxes so consistently for long-term owners (and could definitely see gentrification-esque effects) it does seem like a pretty obvious - if bitter - pill to swallow if the area is going to have any chance of continued growth.
- trollbridge 4mo agoIf the only way to have growth is to kick out the existing inhabitants, one wonders what the purpose of “growth” is.
- doublepg23 4mo agoHow can you sustain a city if the existing inhabitants children would rather leave?
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- trollbridge 4mo agoThat seems like a problem for the inhabitants to work out through a democratic process. Tech bros and crypto bros moving into a city and then griping “housing is too expensive here” doesn’t count, particularly when they’re the cause of the problem in the first place.
- doublepg23 4mo agoI think you’re tilting at windmills here. The industries sustaining the city are healthcare, finance and higher edu. There’s no invasion of m fedora-toting tech bros building B2B SaaS AI Agents. This is a group of current inhabitants who do want the city to improve who are submitting -honestly minor - proposals to keep Pittsburgh from going the way of many of the other Rust-Belt cities.
- happytoexplain 4mo agoContinued growth to what end...?
- doublepg23 4mo agoJobs and new families? I’ve become intimately familiar with Youngstown, OH - about 70 miles away from the Pittsburgh - and it’s a great case study of how far a once-powerhouse city can fall if it doesn’t a actively reinvent itself.
- happytoexplain 4mo agoThat's causally backwards. What we want is for families to have jobs and an American quality of life. Not to just create "jobs and families" as if they are the product at the end of the manufacturing line. That goal only makes sense for politicians (and short-term thinking politicians, at that).
- doublepg23 4mo agoPerhaps “Jobs for new families” would be better phrasing? This isn’t a hypothetical scenario though - the lack of economic opportunity across the border is a key reason of why I’m married.
- happytoexplain 4mo agoSorry, I don't follow what your second sentence is referring to. But I should be more clear: I'm not commenting on a specific situation, only on the "growth mindset". I.e. it should be an "improvement mindset", which specific types of growth either help or harm in each situation.
- ghgdynb1 4mo agoUltimately to the end of allowing Pittsburgh and the surrounding area to be a place with agglomeration effects, growth, and opportunities enough to allow smart and ambitious young people to remain in the area as opposed to brain draining into the Acela corridor. It’s sad when a city that could go either way chooses to rust and its most talented young people no longer have the option of staying in their home if they want dynamic careers.
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- tobadzistsini 4mo agoWhy don't they go back to their riff on land value tax? Property taxes are regressive and stifle growth, development, and improvements.
- whatever1 4mo agoProperty taxes are the only thing that can redistribute wealth from landlords to the working people. Your company definitely bought / financed it, so it is clear evidence of your financial means at the purchase time. Businesses that own land don't pay federal taxes, they can just declare 0 profit every year while paying for range rovers for the owners.
- xvedejas 4mo agoProperty taxes have a component that redistributes wealth from landlords to the working people, but it also has a component that penalizes making better use of the land. The former is usually called "land value tax" and the latter is the part of the tax that is proportional to the improved value of the land. The latter part incentivizes some uncertain amount more towards mcmansions and away from multi-unit buildings.
- iamnothere 4mo agoProperty tax also encourages speculators to hold and trade underutilized parcels compared to land value tax. With property tax, the penalty for holding an empty parking lot in a dense urban center is much lower than under a land value tax system.
- whatever1 4mo agoOh this definitely needs extra tax in areas with limited supply. Unoccupied property ? 1% tax per month. Rent it or sell it.
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- afpx 4mo agoPittsburgh is a mess. I grew up there and came back recently to visit after 20 years. I walked a street for a few miles, and it was homeless after homeless. Heartbreaking change to see. I spoke with some missionaries who were handing out provisions, and they said the next street up was even worse. Reminds me of what happened to San Francisco after the tech boom. What a loss. These people who come to these cities for the economic zone are sick - they will literally let people die on the street. I wish Pittsburgh could tax the landowners into poverty.
- doublepg23 4mo agoIs this not the Rust-Belt writ large? De-industrialization for decades on decades - of which Pittsburgh did an okay job of pivoting (many many other towns nearby faired far far worse) - pile on brain drain to the Coasts and a opioid epidemic to boot, I don’t see how this is an indictment of Yinzers.
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