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> Early CPR (+AED if available) absolutely saves lives. Article is from 2011 by a family med doctor. You have to provide a denominator to make this statement.

> Early CPR (+AED if available) absolutely saves lives. Article is from 2011 by a family med doctor. You have to provide a denominator to make this statement. 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10%, and discharge from the hospital (let alone functional status) is even lower. CPR is thus a great example of the OP's thesis that doctors refuse certain things based on their poor efficacy. https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/resources/articles/cpr-facts-and-statistics https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/resources/articles/cpr...

kryogen1c 3mo ago
Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving: >Survival chances decrease by 10% for every minute that immediate CPR and use of an AED is delayed.
- bonsai_spool 3mo ago
  > Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving: Oh my goodness, did YOU read anything on the page? Here's a literal quote with a link to a study you could have followed if you weren't just here for outrage points: "For the past 20 years, the survival rate for cardiac arrest has hovered around 10 percent for out-of-hospital incidences and 21 percent for in-hospital events, yet research shows that high-quality CPR has a significant impact on survival outcomes, whether inside or outside the hospital." link: https://mycares.net/sitepages/uploads/2026/2025_flipbook/index.html?page=52 https://mycares.net/sitepages/uploads/2026/2025_flipbook/ind...
krisoft 3mo ago
> 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10% Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed? It is a bit like complaining that jumping out of a burning airplane with a parachute is dangerous. Yes, it is. But jumping out of a parachute, or burning inside, is even more dangerous.
- bonsai_spool 3mo ago
  > Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed? Great question, but it's obviously not possible to answer. I suspect the survival rate won't be 0, and maybe won't even be less than 10%. The point of this whole subtree is that there are interventions that people wouldn't want for themselves because the expected outcome is very poor.

kryogen1c 3mo ago

Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving: >Survival chances decrease by 10% for every minute that immediate CPR and use of an AED is delayed.

bonsai_spool 3mo ago
> Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving: Oh my goodness, did YOU read anything on the page? Here's a literal quote with a link to a study you could have followed if you weren't just here for outrage points: "For the past 20 years, the survival rate for cardiac arrest has hovered around 10 percent for out-of-hospital incidences and 21 percent for in-hospital events, yet research shows that high-quality CPR has a significant impact on survival outcomes, whether inside or outside the hospital." link: https://mycares.net/sitepages/uploads/2026/2025_flipbook/index.html?page=52 https://mycares.net/sitepages/uploads/2026/2025_flipbook/ind...

krisoft 3mo ago

> 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10% Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed? It is a bit like complaining that jumping out of a burning airplane with a parachute is dangerous. Yes, it is. But jumping out of a parachute, or burning inside, is even more dangerous.

bonsai_spool 3mo ago
> Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed? Great question, but it's obviously not possible to answer. I suspect the survival rate won't be 0, and maybe won't even be less than 10%. The point of this whole subtree is that there are interventions that people wouldn't want for themselves because the expected outcome is very poor.