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Hacker News Google+ Community

87 points by jasonkolb 14y ago

vpdn 14y ago
You should add the intend of the g+ community somewhere. Also I wouldn't name it "The Official Hacker Community" unless it's started by pg.
webwanderings 14y ago
G+ community doesn't appear to be solving any of the old online community problems. The first question I would ask here is: Who's Hacker News Community is this? Each and every member of the HN can create his or her own HN community on Google+ and that's exactly what Google+ is allowing so far. You are calling it Official, and that is another set of problem, because then I would ask (assuming you run HN which appears not to be the case): why? Why is there a need for a Google+ community for HN when HN is already a community here? Is anyone following the issues?
JeremyKolb 14y ago
Yeah, there are tons of Hacker News communities popping up, we took out the "official" bit.
salimmadjd 14y ago
This is probably an internal strategy by google to try increase g+ engagement. Create these social groups on g+ that already have strong community behind them. The thinking is that on g+ things like photography, and geek related could become a beachhead community for them and they can use that as the foundation to build up additional communities to drive up engagement.
- ChuckMcM 14y ago
  Ya think? :-) Actually while its clearly an attempt to get more people using G+ on a deeper level, as a replacement for Groups its showing possibilities. I wish the editor in G+ was a bit more full featured. Maybe not full on Buzz but would love to be able to do better hyper links with it. It is interesting to contrast the feel of that to the feel of this site.
- ichirotherager 14y ago
  That never really took off in Google Groups, but that didn't really have the social structure around it that Google+ does. I wonder if the second time's a charm for them.
Osiris 14y ago
Looks like there's a few different HN communities on G+. Maybe someone should reach out and try to consolidate into a single group to avoid confusion.
- JeremyKolb 14y ago
  I think it will be a fight for numbers today. Consolidation will happen around the biggest community.
  - raldi 14y ago
    I think you've already won, considering the position of this post on the HN front page. Congratulations!
    - jayzalowitz 14y ago
      https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114037307744460996720 https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/11403730774446099672... is more focused on HN Content and is a closer representation of the community...
      - raldi 14y ago
        Sorry Jay, but this sort of thing is always a land rush, and it looks like this particular one is over.
jcfrei 14y ago
this seems like a bigger version of the HN community: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/104388679763490357266 https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/10438867976349035726...
dgudkov 14y ago
I've joined but I'm afraid signal/noise ratio will be much lower than desired.
rrbrambley 14y ago
I think this is probably a good opportunity to remove my Hacker News G+ Circle with thousands of people in it.
dreadsword 14y ago
Nice! Like a lobby for HN in which mingling and informal chit chat can take place.
linker3000 14y ago
It was once said that the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. It seems the same goes for targetted online communities.
tankbot 14y ago
It seems natural that these sorts of things would appear, especially around a community like HN. But what's the point? HN is already a community because of HN. Isn't this like the programmer who wanted to create a standard to unify the n variations only to end up with n+1 variations?
- polyfractal 14y ago
  I can see it being useful for things that HN is not well suited for such as idle conversation, better visibility for random questions, etc.
- 31reasons 14y ago
  One advantage is that Goolge+ is a social network. Hacker News is not.
- robryan 14y ago
  There has been many attempts to produce something to compliment the hacker news site and allow for more unstructured chat. Not sure anything has really stuck though.
thetabyte 14y ago
I find community proliferation like this very entertaining. People learn to identify so well with one community or its content, that they replicate it inside other communities. For example, I was bemused recently to learn that Reddit has an r/4chan. I asked, "Wouldn't you just go to 4chan?" But they found it more moderate, more suited to a Reddit user's taste. To each their own, eh?
- ANTSANTS 14y ago
  The existence of r/4chan is met with scorn every time I've seen it mentioned on 4chan. People seem to either completely hate Reddit itself, or meekly admit that they follow a few tiny subreddits. Given that (and the response you received to your question), it would seem that r/4chan is composed entirely of people who don't actually browse 4chan! One has to wonder what proportion of these members of the "Hacker News Google+" community actually participate on HN. The more I think about it, the more strange the existence of these offshoots seems: The average 4chan user hates Reddit, and the average HN user seems to not care much for Google+, either (though I'm not sure if that has more to do with its community or the way Google is currently shoving it into everyone's faces).
  - noibl 14y ago
    > Given that [the existence of r/4chan is met with scorn on 4chan], it would seem that r/4chan is composed entirely of people who don't actually browse 4chan! Non-sequitur (really a classic syllogistic fallacy if you consider who does the scorning). Peer pressure exists ('meekly admit'). One could even imagine that the kind of 4chan user who might prefer to sometimes express themselves in a more 'moderate' environment such as on Reddit would be the kind least likely to provoke a visceral response by outing themselves as a user of r/4chan. It's very difficult to know anything about the 'average' member of an online community, especially without surveys.
- donniezazen 14y ago
  I agree on both points. Sometimes its just nice to go to one place and have all sort of interesting discussion. Reddit is a very good place for that. On the other hand, community efforts are unnecessarily divided.
antidoh 14y ago
Why?

87 points by jasonkolb 14y ago

vpdn 14y ago

You should add the intend of the g+ community somewhere. Also I wouldn't name it "The Official Hacker Community" unless it's started by pg.

webwanderings 14y ago

G+ community doesn't appear to be solving any of the old online community problems. The first question I would ask here is: Who's Hacker News Community is this? Each and every member of the HN can create his or her own HN community on Google+ and that's exactly what Google+ is allowing so far. You are calling it Official, and that is another set of problem, because then I would ask (assuming you run HN which appears not to be the case): why? Why is there a need for a Google+ community for HN when HN is already a community here? Is anyone following the issues?

JeremyKolb 14y ago

Yeah, there are tons of Hacker News communities popping up, we took out the "official" bit.

salimmadjd 14y ago

This is probably an internal strategy by google to try increase g+ engagement. Create these social groups on g+ that already have strong community behind them. The thinking is that on g+ things like photography, and geek related could become a beachhead community for them and they can use that as the foundation to build up additional communities to drive up engagement.

ChuckMcM 14y ago
Ya think? :-) Actually while its clearly an attempt to get more people using G+ on a deeper level, as a replacement for Groups its showing possibilities. I wish the editor in G+ was a bit more full featured. Maybe not full on Buzz but would love to be able to do better hyper links with it. It is interesting to contrast the feel of that to the feel of this site.
ichirotherager 14y ago
That never really took off in Google Groups, but that didn't really have the social structure around it that Google+ does. I wonder if the second time's a charm for them.

Osiris 14y ago

Looks like there's a few different HN communities on G+. Maybe someone should reach out and try to consolidate into a single group to avoid confusion.

JeremyKolb 14y ago
I think it will be a fight for numbers today. Consolidation will happen around the biggest community.
- raldi 14y ago
  I think you've already won, considering the position of this post on the HN front page. Congratulations!
  - jayzalowitz 14y ago
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114037307744460996720 https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/11403730774446099672... is more focused on HN Content and is a closer representation of the community...
    - raldi 14y ago
      Sorry Jay, but this sort of thing is always a land rush, and it looks like this particular one is over.

jcfrei 14y ago

this seems like a bigger version of the HN community: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/104388679763490357266 https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/10438867976349035726...

dgudkov 14y ago

I've joined but I'm afraid signal/noise ratio will be much lower than desired.

rrbrambley 14y ago

I think this is probably a good opportunity to remove my Hacker News G+ Circle with thousands of people in it.

dreadsword 14y ago

Nice! Like a lobby for HN in which mingling and informal chit chat can take place.

linker3000 14y ago

It was once said that the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. It seems the same goes for targetted online communities.

tankbot 14y ago

It seems natural that these sorts of things would appear, especially around a community like HN. But what's the point? HN is already a community because of HN. Isn't this like the programmer who wanted to create a standard to unify the n variations only to end up with n+1 variations?

polyfractal 14y ago
I can see it being useful for things that HN is not well suited for such as idle conversation, better visibility for random questions, etc.
31reasons 14y ago
One advantage is that Goolge+ is a social network. Hacker News is not.
robryan 14y ago
There has been many attempts to produce something to compliment the hacker news site and allow for more unstructured chat. Not sure anything has really stuck though.

thetabyte 14y ago

I find community proliferation like this very entertaining. People learn to identify so well with one community or its content, that they replicate it inside other communities. For example, I was bemused recently to learn that Reddit has an r/4chan. I asked, "Wouldn't you just go to 4chan?" But they found it more moderate, more suited to a Reddit user's taste. To each their own, eh?

ANTSANTS 14y ago
The existence of r/4chan is met with scorn every time I've seen it mentioned on 4chan. People seem to either completely hate Reddit itself, or meekly admit that they follow a few tiny subreddits. Given that (and the response you received to your question), it would seem that r/4chan is composed entirely of people who don't actually browse 4chan! One has to wonder what proportion of these members of the "Hacker News Google+" community actually participate on HN. The more I think about it, the more strange the existence of these offshoots seems: The average 4chan user hates Reddit, and the average HN user seems to not care much for Google+, either (though I'm not sure if that has more to do with its community or the way Google is currently shoving it into everyone's faces).
- noibl 14y ago
  > Given that [the existence of r/4chan is met with scorn on 4chan], it would seem that r/4chan is composed entirely of people who don't actually browse 4chan! Non-sequitur (really a classic syllogistic fallacy if you consider who does the scorning). Peer pressure exists ('meekly admit'). One could even imagine that the kind of 4chan user who might prefer to sometimes express themselves in a more 'moderate' environment such as on Reddit would be the kind least likely to provoke a visceral response by outing themselves as a user of r/4chan. It's very difficult to know anything about the 'average' member of an online community, especially without surveys.
donniezazen 14y ago
I agree on both points. Sometimes its just nice to go to one place and have all sort of interesting discussion. Reddit is a very good place for that. On the other hand, community efforts are unnecessarily divided.

antidoh 14y ago

Why?