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buddy our ancestors didn’t even have light at night nor heat/ac. life for our kin will only be better. we will have space stations where you can visit and see

buddy our ancestors didn’t even have light at night nor heat/ac. life for our kin will only be better. we will have space stations where you can visit and see all the stars you want. there will be space tourism and that will be pretty cool. that’s what i wanted as a kid and its cool to see it play out irl. edit: dang didn't expect so many negative people

nalekberov 3mo ago
Granted “we” are billionaires. Not only you didn’t get the point, but you still hold on to your delusions: > life for our kin will only be better. Right? In this subscription economy? Where you have just limited time to watch the movie you loved? You can’t afford to rent the house you loved let alone buy it? (previous generations could afford) the list goes on and on. Maybe stop spreading lies and see things more objectively?
- csallen 3mo ago
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  - _vertigo 3mo ago
    ..you good bro? Anyway, things are improving but that doesn’t mean people can’t have a say in what tradeoffs they are willing to accept in return for progress. A lot of progress has externalities and the benefits and downsides of progress are rarely equally distributed.
    - csallen 3mo ago
      Uhhh, I don't know what you're reading, but the comment I was replied to was complaining about the "subscription economy" and not having enough time to watch movies as evidence why life is getting worse. > A lot of progress has externalities and the benefits and downsides of progress are rarely equally distributed. The vast majority of humanity has benefited from progress, compared to most decades and certainly centuries in the past. So I don't really know what your point is here?
  - dartharva 3mo ago
    >watching their children die from easily curable infections, enduring routine tooth extractions without anesthesia, working six-day weeks around lethal machinery, watching entire neighboring towns slowly starve to death in famines, living in huts that were crawling with insects, subject to the brutal whims of whoever their local thug ruler happened to be with no human rights at all, and often being enslaved by the millions and worked to death in brutal conditions. Those softies just couldn't possibly imagine how truly hard we have it today. A significant portion of the human populace still lives like this in various degrees today. You are just blind to it because you'd rather live in your delusion for comfort.
    - csallen 3mo ago
      What's your point? Progress is not perfection. There will always be human suffering. Acknowledging that there's progress is not the same thing as ignoring the fact that there's suffering. I don't know what sort of cult mindset got everybody to believe that those are the same thing, but it's horrible and delusional and incredibly illogical.
      - ThoAppelsin 3mo ago
        I think the point is: some people will be left behind while reaching the described space era, just like the way it happened with many previous leaps and left behind those populations that are suffering from now-easily-curable diseases. And this time around, it seems like only a minority that are billionaires will be able to move forward, and we all will be left behind. I believe it should’ve been possible to not leave so much people behind and so much behind. Requiring those at the front to not leave people so far behind (and forcefully funneling away their riches if they do) would’ve been enough.
        csallen 3mo ago
        Life is better for the poorest in society than it's ever been, thanks in large part to the nonstop proliferation and cheapening of technology in the past 200 years, esp. the past 100. I can't for the life of me understand why you people are so focused on trying to drag down the top when you could be focused on further bringing up the bottom. It's just such a miserable negative perspective on life, like crabs in a bucket.
  - uxcolumbo 3mo ago
    Of course life now is better than 100 years ago. But do you really think life has been getting better in the last 10 years say? Do you think trickle down economics works? Are you happy with the way things are going under this administration, which favours those BILLIONAIRES you mentioned, but couldn’t really give a damn about the rest of us or the commons? Are you OK living in a future where there are zero checks and balances and the .1% fully controlling and owning the political and policy space, i.e. the return to the Robber Barons era?
    - csallen 3mo ago
      > But do you really think life has been getting better in the last 10 years say? Uh, yeah. My TV's much better, my video games are better, programming is easier and more fun with these new AI options added on top of better frameworks than we had in the past, there are way more restaurants serving better food, way more great shows and movies, there's mainstream awareness of the ills of social media, I can take driverless taxis around my city, I can tap to pay pretty much everywhere, wayyyyyy more of my friends work remotely. I'm 40 now, and myself + most of my friends + family are making more money now than we were at 30. > Are you OK living in a future where there are zero checks and balances and the .1% fully controlling and owning the political and policy space, i.e. the return to the Robber Barons era? You sound like you've been reading a bunch of gloom and doom scenarios. Get offline. Go outside. Touch grass. Breathe. People are still going out to eat at restaurants, they're still playing intramural sports, they're still going to the beach with their friends, they're still watching plays, they're still visiting family and hosting movie nights. Stop reading so much negative news that's telling you the sky is falling and that everything is going to shit. Of course there are massive problems and inequities we're solving, of course! But that's always been the case. Relax. Breathe. Put it in perspective.
      - hvb2 3mo ago
        > Of course there are massive problems and inequities we're solving, of course! But that's always been the case. Relax. Breathe. Put it in perspective. You're just not someone who has to deal with these problems. Are we solving them? Not sure what you're being that of. > Get offline. Go outside. Touch grass. Breathe. People are still going out to eat at restaurants, they're still playing intramural sports, they're still going to the beach with their friends, they're still watching plays, they're still visiting family and hosting movie nights. I suggest you stop touching grass and go and talk to a few less fortunate people. Maybe that can broaden your perspective
  - Lomlioto 3mo ago
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    - p1dda 3mo ago
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  - moomoo11 3mo ago
    dude i dig your sarcasm and i agree with your point
- moomoo11 3mo ago
  you know there's more to life than just subscribing to services meant for the Lowest Common Denominator right? and of those people literally billions are happy to pay for them. edit: not LCD the screen… if you thought thats what i meant then… nvm… not even gonna say it lol iykyk
  - nalekberov 3mo ago
    Mine is OLED, perhaps this is the reason I am not among those billions :( EDIT: You edited your comment after I submit my response. You cannot put arbitrary abbreviations and expect people to read your mind. Anyway, there is no point in arguing with you.
    - moomoo11 3mo ago
      if you thought it means the screen like i said… you proved my point. congrats. services meant for the LCD. and those people pay for them. all the context was there. you failed. lol at you
- AlexandrB 3mo ago
  Being objective doesn't mean laser focusing on the negatives. For instance: > Where you have just limited time to watch the movie you loved? You know how many movies the average peasant watched in the 1800s? 0. The closest equivalent was live theatre and that was an expensive luxury. You'd also likely get see one or more of your children die to diseases that are trivially treatable or preventable today.
  - moomoo11 3mo ago
    these people are hopeless. this is why it is important to give toys and distractions to the masses and meaningless grind so they can stay busy and happy. while other people actually build the world for them.
    - digitaltrees 3mo ago
      Except the “builders” won’t have anyone to sell products to. Markets require competition and customers.
    - nalekberov 3mo ago
      Except, it’s actually you, who enjoys these toys and distractions. There will always be people like you, who will accept every single shit, then call them “gift from builders”.
  - nalekberov 3mo ago
    We are talking about handful amount of billionaire who manipulate masses, not Industrial Revolution and technological advancements. The issues you enumerated were very well addressed in the socialist USSR.
pastel8739 3mo ago
Why is that better? Because you read about it in a sci fi book?
- moomoo11 3mo ago
  and what did you read that makes you anti progress and imagination?
  - digitaltrees 3mo ago
    History. The general state of humanity is one where wealth and power concentrate. I am disappointed that SV is shifting to a disregard for the dangers of monopolies and monarchies.
    - moomoo11 3mo ago
      i also read history. my people were basically oppressed for centuries. if you think today is bad you're privileged and silly, and probably possess a w2 mentality where you get a paycheck every 2 weeks and think that's somehow oppressive.
Lomlioto 3mo ago
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- moomoo11 3mo ago
  so what's the alternative? just don't make any progress?
  - applfanboysbgon 3mo ago
    Polluting the sky with junk is not "progress".
    - mhb 3mo ago
      Airplanes?
    - Marha01 3mo ago
      Colonizing space is progress.
      - bluescrn 3mo ago
        The word 'colonization' has become rather toxic, though. Maybe we need a new word for occupying barren planets where there's no native life being displaced?
        cramer4next 3mo ago
        Not toxic unless you subscribe to the lefts redefinition of the term. Most people wouldn't be here if we didn't colonize the new world.
        jagenabler2 3mo ago
        The indigenous populations probably would.
digitaltrees 3mo ago
That’s not how the curve of history has always bent. There were long periods of extreme inequality where most people were serfs and a few controlled the assets. That is the norm, the recent period of opportunity. I have no problem with billionaires. Or trillionaires. I do have a problem with monopoly because it destroys the very ecosystem that creates the increased well being you describe.

nalekberov 3mo ago

Granted “we” are billionaires. Not only you didn’t get the point, but you still hold on to your delusions: > life for our kin will only be better. Right? In this subscription economy? Where you have just limited time to watch the movie you loved? You can’t afford to rent the house you loved let alone buy it? (previous generations could afford) the list goes on and on. Maybe stop spreading lies and see things more objectively?

csallen 3mo ago
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- _vertigo 3mo ago
  ..you good bro? Anyway, things are improving but that doesn’t mean people can’t have a say in what tradeoffs they are willing to accept in return for progress. A lot of progress has externalities and the benefits and downsides of progress are rarely equally distributed.
  - csallen 3mo ago
    Uhhh, I don't know what you're reading, but the comment I was replied to was complaining about the "subscription economy" and not having enough time to watch movies as evidence why life is getting worse. > A lot of progress has externalities and the benefits and downsides of progress are rarely equally distributed. The vast majority of humanity has benefited from progress, compared to most decades and certainly centuries in the past. So I don't really know what your point is here?
- dartharva 3mo ago
  >watching their children die from easily curable infections, enduring routine tooth extractions without anesthesia, working six-day weeks around lethal machinery, watching entire neighboring towns slowly starve to death in famines, living in huts that were crawling with insects, subject to the brutal whims of whoever their local thug ruler happened to be with no human rights at all, and often being enslaved by the millions and worked to death in brutal conditions. Those softies just couldn't possibly imagine how truly hard we have it today. A significant portion of the human populace still lives like this in various degrees today. You are just blind to it because you'd rather live in your delusion for comfort.
  - csallen 3mo ago
    What's your point? Progress is not perfection. There will always be human suffering. Acknowledging that there's progress is not the same thing as ignoring the fact that there's suffering. I don't know what sort of cult mindset got everybody to believe that those are the same thing, but it's horrible and delusional and incredibly illogical.
    - ThoAppelsin 3mo ago
      I think the point is: some people will be left behind while reaching the described space era, just like the way it happened with many previous leaps and left behind those populations that are suffering from now-easily-curable diseases. And this time around, it seems like only a minority that are billionaires will be able to move forward, and we all will be left behind. I believe it should’ve been possible to not leave so much people behind and so much behind. Requiring those at the front to not leave people so far behind (and forcefully funneling away their riches if they do) would’ve been enough.
      - csallen 3mo ago
        Life is better for the poorest in society than it's ever been, thanks in large part to the nonstop proliferation and cheapening of technology in the past 200 years, esp. the past 100. I can't for the life of me understand why you people are so focused on trying to drag down the top when you could be focused on further bringing up the bottom. It's just such a miserable negative perspective on life, like crabs in a bucket.
- uxcolumbo 3mo ago
  Of course life now is better than 100 years ago. But do you really think life has been getting better in the last 10 years say? Do you think trickle down economics works? Are you happy with the way things are going under this administration, which favours those BILLIONAIRES you mentioned, but couldn’t really give a damn about the rest of us or the commons? Are you OK living in a future where there are zero checks and balances and the .1% fully controlling and owning the political and policy space, i.e. the return to the Robber Barons era?
  - csallen 3mo ago
    > But do you really think life has been getting better in the last 10 years say? Uh, yeah. My TV's much better, my video games are better, programming is easier and more fun with these new AI options added on top of better frameworks than we had in the past, there are way more restaurants serving better food, way more great shows and movies, there's mainstream awareness of the ills of social media, I can take driverless taxis around my city, I can tap to pay pretty much everywhere, wayyyyyy more of my friends work remotely. I'm 40 now, and myself + most of my friends + family are making more money now than we were at 30. > Are you OK living in a future where there are zero checks and balances and the .1% fully controlling and owning the political and policy space, i.e. the return to the Robber Barons era? You sound like you've been reading a bunch of gloom and doom scenarios. Get offline. Go outside. Touch grass. Breathe. People are still going out to eat at restaurants, they're still playing intramural sports, they're still going to the beach with their friends, they're still watching plays, they're still visiting family and hosting movie nights. Stop reading so much negative news that's telling you the sky is falling and that everything is going to shit. Of course there are massive problems and inequities we're solving, of course! But that's always been the case. Relax. Breathe. Put it in perspective.
    - hvb2 3mo ago
      > Of course there are massive problems and inequities we're solving, of course! But that's always been the case. Relax. Breathe. Put it in perspective. You're just not someone who has to deal with these problems. Are we solving them? Not sure what you're being that of. > Get offline. Go outside. Touch grass. Breathe. People are still going out to eat at restaurants, they're still playing intramural sports, they're still going to the beach with their friends, they're still watching plays, they're still visiting family and hosting movie nights. I suggest you stop touching grass and go and talk to a few less fortunate people. Maybe that can broaden your perspective
- Lomlioto 3mo ago
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  - p1dda 3mo ago
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- moomoo11 3mo ago
  dude i dig your sarcasm and i agree with your point
moomoo11 3mo ago
you know there's more to life than just subscribing to services meant for the Lowest Common Denominator right? and of those people literally billions are happy to pay for them. edit: not LCD the screen… if you thought thats what i meant then… nvm… not even gonna say it lol iykyk
- nalekberov 3mo ago
  Mine is OLED, perhaps this is the reason I am not among those billions :( EDIT: You edited your comment after I submit my response. You cannot put arbitrary abbreviations and expect people to read your mind. Anyway, there is no point in arguing with you.
  - moomoo11 3mo ago
    if you thought it means the screen like i said… you proved my point. congrats. services meant for the LCD. and those people pay for them. all the context was there. you failed. lol at you
AlexandrB 3mo ago
Being objective doesn't mean laser focusing on the negatives. For instance: > Where you have just limited time to watch the movie you loved? You know how many movies the average peasant watched in the 1800s? 0. The closest equivalent was live theatre and that was an expensive luxury. You'd also likely get see one or more of your children die to diseases that are trivially treatable or preventable today.
- moomoo11 3mo ago
  these people are hopeless. this is why it is important to give toys and distractions to the masses and meaningless grind so they can stay busy and happy. while other people actually build the world for them.
  - digitaltrees 3mo ago
    Except the “builders” won’t have anyone to sell products to. Markets require competition and customers.
  - nalekberov 3mo ago
    Except, it’s actually you, who enjoys these toys and distractions. There will always be people like you, who will accept every single shit, then call them “gift from builders”.
- nalekberov 3mo ago
  We are talking about handful amount of billionaire who manipulate masses, not Industrial Revolution and technological advancements. The issues you enumerated were very well addressed in the socialist USSR.

pastel8739 3mo ago

Why is that better? Because you read about it in a sci fi book?

moomoo11 3mo ago
and what did you read that makes you anti progress and imagination?
- digitaltrees 3mo ago
  History. The general state of humanity is one where wealth and power concentrate. I am disappointed that SV is shifting to a disregard for the dangers of monopolies and monarchies.
  - moomoo11 3mo ago
    i also read history. my people were basically oppressed for centuries. if you think today is bad you're privileged and silly, and probably possess a w2 mentality where you get a paycheck every 2 weeks and think that's somehow oppressive.

Lomlioto 3mo ago

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moomoo11 3mo ago
so what's the alternative? just don't make any progress?
- applfanboysbgon 3mo ago
  Polluting the sky with junk is not "progress".
  - mhb 3mo ago
    Airplanes?
  - Marha01 3mo ago
    Colonizing space is progress.
    - bluescrn 3mo ago
      The word 'colonization' has become rather toxic, though. Maybe we need a new word for occupying barren planets where there's no native life being displaced?
      - cramer4next 3mo ago
        Not toxic unless you subscribe to the lefts redefinition of the term. Most people wouldn't be here if we didn't colonize the new world.
        jagenabler2 3mo ago
        The indigenous populations probably would.

digitaltrees 3mo ago

That’s not how the curve of history has always bent. There were long periods of extreme inequality where most people were serfs and a few controlled the assets. That is the norm, the recent period of opportunity. I have no problem with billionaires. Or trillionaires. I do have a problem with monopoly because it destroys the very ecosystem that creates the increased well being you describe.