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The CEO has a bunch of AI papers. Seems like a smart guy, but I don’t know why he’s using the Mozilla brand or platform to screw around with AI stuff. Maybe bec

by codemog 3mo ago

The CEO has a bunch of AI papers. Seems like a smart guy, but I don’t know why he’s using the Mozilla brand or platform to screw around with AI stuff. Maybe because Mozilla makes no money and they’re hoping to jump on the AI bandwagon? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like it will end well..

Octoth0rpe 3mo ago
> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money Mozilla makes a surprising amount of money, almost entirely from google.
- AgentElement 3mo ago
  This is a problem. Mozilla is completely dependent on it's primary competitor for funding Firefox. Although I don't agree with Mozilla's current direction, trying to diversify their primary source of income is rational from this perspective.
antonvs 3mo ago
> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money Something like $680 million annual revenue. There are thousands of companies in Silicon Valley that would kill for that.
- codemog 3mo ago
  I thought it was pretty obvious from context that “making no money” meant no money outside of Google giving them money to avoid an anti-trust. Which they could decide to rescind whenever they want or negotiate down. Which they probably would if Firefox ever started to become a serious competitor to Chrome.
JohnPDickerson 3mo ago
Author here. The reason I joined the Mozilla ecosystem, and the reason I want to help Mozilla's mission succeed in the era of AI, is identical to the reason I supported Mozilla in my teens and college years during the early browser wars. Then, we had MSFT coming in to create a single point of failure (and control) for your access to the Internet via IE - Firefox combatted that. We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity. Mozilla is nowhere near large enough to solve this problem on its own, but: (i) Mozilla AI, which I'm leading, is pushing to solve this at the infra and maybe platform layer by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling and (ii) Mozilla writ large is a big enough machine that it can create a community and alliance across dozens or hundreds of players to create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. That's my hope!
- SrslyJosh 3mo ago
  > We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity. Really? I'm still using the internet, and I don't touch any of that stuff. > by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling Wait, what does that have to do with any of what you said before? That doesn't sound like "access to the Internet." > create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. And now you've switched back to talking about the open (or not) Internet, which has nothing to do with "developers [choosing] their own AI tooling". It sounds like you're just pursuing your own pet project while trying justify it using the language of internet freedom.
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- codemog 3mo ago
  Wishing you the best, hope it works out. Would love if Firefox became a bigger player in the browser market too.
- behindsight 3mo ago
  very well said, and I have been rooting for the team big time! if you have an alliance hub for discussions with those also building open infrastructure tooling, please let me know! have already been in the Mozilla AI discord since last year and had a great time being one of the 2 external participants during the name brainstorming for renaming any-llm ^_^

by codemog 3mo ago

Octoth0rpe 3mo ago

> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money Mozilla makes a surprising amount of money, almost entirely from google.

AgentElement 3mo ago
This is a problem. Mozilla is completely dependent on it's primary competitor for funding Firefox. Although I don't agree with Mozilla's current direction, trying to diversify their primary source of income is rational from this perspective.

antonvs 3mo ago

> Maybe because Mozilla makes no money Something like $680 million annual revenue. There are thousands of companies in Silicon Valley that would kill for that.

codemog 3mo ago
I thought it was pretty obvious from context that “making no money” meant no money outside of Google giving them money to avoid an anti-trust. Which they could decide to rescind whenever they want or negotiate down. Which they probably would if Firefox ever started to become a serious competitor to Chrome.

JohnPDickerson 3mo ago

Author here. The reason I joined the Mozilla ecosystem, and the reason I want to help Mozilla's mission succeed in the era of AI, is identical to the reason I supported Mozilla in my teens and college years during the early browser wars. Then, we had MSFT coming in to create a single point of failure (and control) for your access to the Internet via IE - Firefox combatted that. We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity. Mozilla is nowhere near large enough to solve this problem on its own, but: (i) Mozilla AI, which I'm leading, is pushing to solve this at the infra and maybe platform layer by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling and (ii) Mozilla writ large is a big enough machine that it can create a community and alliance across dozens or hundreds of players to create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. That's my hope!

SrslyJosh 3mo ago
> We're in the same situation now, with your access to the Internet - commerce, social networking, information - going through a walled garden of Gemini or OAI or Ant or Perplexity. Really? I'm still using the internet, and I don't touch any of that stuff. > by providing developers the ability to choose to use their own AI tooling Wait, what does that have to do with any of what you said before? That doesn't sound like "access to the Internet." > create a viable alternative to a bleaker, non-open Internet. And now you've switched back to talking about the open (or not) Internet, which has nothing to do with "developers [choosing] their own AI tooling". It sounds like you're just pursuing your own pet project while trying justify it using the language of internet freedom.
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codemog 3mo ago
Wishing you the best, hope it works out. Would love if Firefox became a bigger player in the browser market too.
behindsight 3mo ago
very well said, and I have been rooting for the team big time! if you have an alliance hub for discussions with those also building open infrastructure tooling, please let me know! have already been in the Mozilla AI discord since last year and had a great time being one of the 2 external participants during the name brainstorming for renaming any-llm ^_^