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I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. Can Americans do that? I can say "I hate the orange clown (insert any other po

I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. Can Americans do that? I can say "I hate the orange clown (insert any other politician) and actively dislike everyone that voted for him", without getting a call from HR. Can they? I can't even enter the USA if I share some of the social media accounts like I'm legally required to do. The 'free speech absolutists' are all calling for censorship in this thread. So much for free speech.

Bolwin 3mo ago
Yes Americans can do both, unless their boss dislikes it, but that applies the world over.
- crote 3mo ago
  > that applies the world over It does not. Plenty of countries have functioning labor laws preventing you from being fired for your religious or political opinions.
fingerlocks 3mo ago
Um yeah you can do all of that without legal consequences. HR is not the government. Are these your best examples?
- spiderfarmer 3mo ago
  A society that values free expression should be uncomfortable with people being fired merely for holding a different political opinion from their boss. In the Netherlands, “political opinion” is explicitly listed as a protected discrimination ground. And in Europe generally, employee speech can fall under freedom of expression, though courts balance that against the employer’s interests, reputation, workplace disruption, etc. Meanwhile, in the US you'll get fired by phone while your boss is golfing. Freedom baby.
drstewart 3mo ago
>I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. Unless you live in the UK https://old.reddit.com/r/justifiedpolitics/comments/1uocwp4/uk_police_arrest_a_man_for_calling_islam_an_evil/ https://old.reddit.com/r/justifiedpolitics/comments/1uocwp4/...
- cauch 3mo ago
  You understand that there is a difference between just expressing your opinion in a normal way, and, on purpose, creating confrontational situations, right? This guy is totally free to say he hates organised religion. He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation.
  - drstewart 3mo ago
    >He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation. You mean like saying at work you hate all organised religions, unprompted, like OP wants to do?
    - cauch 3mo ago
      Why do you say OP wants that? They said: > I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. It did not say they say it at work, or unprompted. I think in US, if you mention it in a discussion on this subject at the water cooler between friends, it can have an impact on your work, you need to be careful (but I will not die on this hill, I don't think it's the important point anyway). The spirit of OP was about "talking about it", in a "normal way", I don't understand why you are saying that it is impossible to say you hate all organised religions without doing it unprompted or confrontationally. As for the video, come on, you really don't see the problem? Police usually are drilled to arrest people who can inflame the situation, and this is why they are acting here. I even wonder if it was not the goal of the guy in the first place, to generate clicks and arguing "see, we cannot express ourselves anymore".
      - 3mo ago

Bolwin 3mo ago

Yes Americans can do both, unless their boss dislikes it, but that applies the world over.

crote 3mo ago
> that applies the world over It does not. Plenty of countries have functioning labor laws preventing you from being fired for your religious or political opinions.

fingerlocks 3mo ago

Um yeah you can do all of that without legal consequences. HR is not the government. Are these your best examples?

spiderfarmer 3mo ago
A society that values free expression should be uncomfortable with people being fired merely for holding a different political opinion from their boss. In the Netherlands, “political opinion” is explicitly listed as a protected discrimination ground. And in Europe generally, employee speech can fall under freedom of expression, though courts balance that against the employer’s interests, reputation, workplace disruption, etc. Meanwhile, in the US you'll get fired by phone while your boss is golfing. Freedom baby.

drstewart 3mo ago

>I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. Unless you live in the UK https://old.reddit.com/r/justifiedpolitics/comments/1uocwp4/uk_police_arrest_a_man_for_calling_islam_an_evil/ https://old.reddit.com/r/justifiedpolitics/comments/1uocwp4/...

cauch 3mo ago
You understand that there is a difference between just expressing your opinion in a normal way, and, on purpose, creating confrontational situations, right? This guy is totally free to say he hates organised religion. He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation.
- drstewart 3mo ago
  >He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation. You mean like saying at work you hate all organised religions, unprompted, like OP wants to do?
  - cauch 3mo ago
    Why do you say OP wants that? They said: > I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job. It did not say they say it at work, or unprompted. I think in US, if you mention it in a discussion on this subject at the water cooler between friends, it can have an impact on your work, you need to be careful (but I will not die on this hill, I don't think it's the important point anyway). The spirit of OP was about "talking about it", in a "normal way", I don't understand why you are saying that it is impossible to say you hate all organised religions without doing it unprompted or confrontationally. As for the video, come on, you really don't see the problem? Police usually are drilled to arrest people who can inflame the situation, and this is why they are acting here. I even wonder if it was not the goal of the guy in the first place, to generate clicks and arguing "see, we cannot express ourselves anymore".
    - 3mo ago