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Because a percentage of every dollar you spend on it will go towards pushing political opinions that run contrary to your own best interests?

timr 3mo ago
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- josh_p 3mo ago
  Quit shifting the goal posts. Musk is a Nazi. Or fascist human garbage if you prefer. xAi is low hanging fruit on the “don’t give money to terrible people” tree. The guy is such an easy target for boycotting.
  - timr 3mo ago
    Yes, your rational and not-at-all ridiculously extreme rhetoric is definitely convincing me of your position. Also, I can’t “shift the goalposts”. I didn’t set them up. Please make a note of it.
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- dndnfkfk 3mo ago
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- sanmarzano 3mo ago
  “Since we can’t stop ALL crime we should give up.” See how dumb your position sounds?
  - timr 3mo ago
    No. That’s not my position, it’s a ridiculous metaphor here, and even if it weren’t, the logic doesn’t follow. I am not obligated to stop using a product because someone associated with the product did a bad thing once. Literally no product passes that test.
    - sanmarzano 3mo ago
      Your position is “why bother protesting when all models are biased.” First, your premise is false. Only one trillionaire is has stated he will tune his model to eliminate the woke mind virus (his words not mine). 2nd, You are right, you are not obligated. Nobody said you are. Protest is personal. Each of us makes the choice to do the right thing. But your reasoning comes from mental laziness and willful ignorance arrived at by fallacy. you are scared to take a position because it might be a slight inconvenience or you might get made fun of. I have encountered this position many times it is cliche.
      - timr 3mo ago
        You do you man.
        sanmarzano 3mo ago
        And as per the cliche you run away. Natch.
laurels-marts 3mo ago
You seem to think you know other people’s best interests better than they do.
- mapontosevenths 3mo ago
  It is possible that I do. Fifty percent of people are of below average intelligence.
ashdksnndck 3mo ago
People have different beliefs about whether they will personally benefit from supporting some political cause. Therefore telling people that they shouldn’t support causes that are against their interests is a waste of time. It’s like telling someone “listen to good music”, or “do whatever you think best.” I think many people targeted by the statement “stop supporting politics against your self interest” either sanctimonious or a meaningless platitude, depending on how they interpret it. Also, arguably[1] voting based on your self interest is immoral and irrational. So it’s perhaps neither an effective argument, nor a sound one. 1. https://open.substack.com/pub/benthams/p/voting-self-interestedly-is-immoral https://open.substack.com/pub/benthams/p/voting-self-interes...
- mapontosevenths 3mo ago
  > People have different beliefs about whether they will personally benefit from supporting some political cause. The key word there is "belief". They are often wrong. Your linked blog post is backwards and inconsistent with itself. You have two primary arguments: Irrational and Immoral. You argue that voting is irrational because its unlikely to have any impact, and that voting for your own interest is immoral. A) The statements are mutually exclusive. An act that has no impact on others can not be immoral. B) It assumes that what is best for the individual is worse for the group. Life is not a zero sum game. That's the Conservative's delusion. Economic and political transactions do not always have a "loser" and a "winner". In fact, it's relatively rare that they do if you think more than zero steps into the future. C) The only version of this that actually works is the opposite. C1) It is irrational not to use whatever influence you have to effect you environment for the better, even if the expected value is low because the opportunity cost of inaction may be disasterous. It's similar to your odds of dying by meteor strike. The probablity is higher than you expect because the death toll would be enormous if it did happen. Outlying events with large impacts skew the numbers. C2) It is immoral to vote against your own interests, because what is best for the group is also what is best for members of the group. Any other belief is just an incorrect belief based on imperfect knowledge. Again, your argument makes sense at step zero, but not at step 'n'. If what you're voting for seems bad for some members of the group, but good for you, it just means you have imperfect knowledge of what's actually good for you in the long term.
Petersipoi 3mo ago
On the contrary, that is what happens if I use Claude

timr 3mo ago

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josh_p 3mo ago
Quit shifting the goal posts. Musk is a Nazi. Or fascist human garbage if you prefer. xAi is low hanging fruit on the “don’t give money to terrible people” tree. The guy is such an easy target for boycotting.
- timr 3mo ago
  Yes, your rational and not-at-all ridiculously extreme rhetoric is definitely convincing me of your position. Also, I can’t “shift the goalposts”. I didn’t set them up. Please make a note of it.
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dndnfkfk 3mo ago
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sanmarzano 3mo ago
“Since we can’t stop ALL crime we should give up.” See how dumb your position sounds?
- timr 3mo ago
  No. That’s not my position, it’s a ridiculous metaphor here, and even if it weren’t, the logic doesn’t follow. I am not obligated to stop using a product because someone associated with the product did a bad thing once. Literally no product passes that test.
  - sanmarzano 3mo ago
    Your position is “why bother protesting when all models are biased.” First, your premise is false. Only one trillionaire is has stated he will tune his model to eliminate the woke mind virus (his words not mine). 2nd, You are right, you are not obligated. Nobody said you are. Protest is personal. Each of us makes the choice to do the right thing. But your reasoning comes from mental laziness and willful ignorance arrived at by fallacy. you are scared to take a position because it might be a slight inconvenience or you might get made fun of. I have encountered this position many times it is cliche.
    - timr 3mo ago
      You do you man.
      - sanmarzano 3mo ago
        And as per the cliche you run away. Natch.

laurels-marts 3mo ago

You seem to think you know other people’s best interests better than they do.

mapontosevenths 3mo ago
It is possible that I do. Fifty percent of people are of below average intelligence.

ashdksnndck 3mo ago

People have different beliefs about whether they will personally benefit from supporting some political cause. Therefore telling people that they shouldn’t support causes that are against their interests is a waste of time. It’s like telling someone “listen to good music”, or “do whatever you think best.” I think many people targeted by the statement “stop supporting politics against your self interest” either sanctimonious or a meaningless platitude, depending on how they interpret it. Also, arguably[1] voting based on your self interest is immoral and irrational. So it’s perhaps neither an effective argument, nor a sound one. 1. https://open.substack.com/pub/benthams/p/voting-self-interestedly-is-immoral https://open.substack.com/pub/benthams/p/voting-self-interes...

mapontosevenths 3mo ago
> People have different beliefs about whether they will personally benefit from supporting some political cause. The key word there is "belief". They are often wrong. Your linked blog post is backwards and inconsistent with itself. You have two primary arguments: Irrational and Immoral. You argue that voting is irrational because its unlikely to have any impact, and that voting for your own interest is immoral. A) The statements are mutually exclusive. An act that has no impact on others can not be immoral. B) It assumes that what is best for the individual is worse for the group. Life is not a zero sum game. That's the Conservative's delusion. Economic and political transactions do not always have a "loser" and a "winner". In fact, it's relatively rare that they do if you think more than zero steps into the future. C) The only version of this that actually works is the opposite. C1) It is irrational not to use whatever influence you have to effect you environment for the better, even if the expected value is low because the opportunity cost of inaction may be disasterous. It's similar to your odds of dying by meteor strike. The probablity is higher than you expect because the death toll would be enormous if it did happen. Outlying events with large impacts skew the numbers. C2) It is immoral to vote against your own interests, because what is best for the group is also what is best for members of the group. Any other belief is just an incorrect belief based on imperfect knowledge. Again, your argument makes sense at step zero, but not at step 'n'. If what you're voting for seems bad for some members of the group, but good for you, it just means you have imperfect knowledge of what's actually good for you in the long term.

Petersipoi 3mo ago

On the contrary, that is what happens if I use Claude